A new powertrain without significant interior/exterior changes, means I can cross the Sienna off the shopping list this fall...
The current van is based on the chassis from 2004, it is overdue for a full refresh.
Holding my breath for something spectacular from Honda. I am not interested in the Pacifica unless they start increasing the incentives.
Don't hold your breath... you'll be a blueishpurplecamper then!
I think part of adjusting to the van market was changing my standards. Things in the van market are different. Style (up until recently) has somewhat been an afterthought. Utility is weighted more and redesigns are very few and far between. I'm used to shopping the sporty-sedan segment... then the small crossover... then the large crossover... and now the van. They're all different and to expect the same level of style ,refinement, and pace across the various categories may leave you disappointed.
I don't have super-high hopes for the next Odyssey. I've heard rumors that they may try an AWD variant, but even then... I couldn't afford to wait.
Everyone is a bit different but what kinda sold me was actually the tried and true drive train of the sienna. The style is bleh anyway... but to be honest, I found the sienna much less offensive than the odyssey with it's odd angles and curves meshed together.
Now, it all depends on the vehicle and the purpose -- because for me, and for a sporty car, I may not have the same buying approach (conservative, buy the later model that has had bug fixes and a redesign).... But for my wife's daily driver and people-mover, this thing ticked all of the boxes. We bought in April and haven't looked back!
Before your write off the 2017 van, take a drive. I agree (and my wife absolutely hated the 2011-2014) that the early years of the Gen-III were not impressive, but the 2015 refresh did a lot to bring it up to snuff. Unless Honda really hits it out of the park, you might just find that the additional 2017 patches keep it competitive.
I've already had one Chrysler Corp minivan. That's plenty for anyone's lifetime......
Agreed. One of the reasons I bought new was for the mid-model refresh of the interior. I just think the '11-'14 looks a bit dated and "old person-ish" for my tastes. It's fine, really, and I wouldn't HATE it if I had it... but the redesign of the '15+ interior is very nice in my opinion.
As long as they get rid of VCM (which they won't). That's what keeps me from buying the Odyssey. That and their long history of bad transmissions. I like that the Sienna has a timing chain instead of belt too. Just wish they added leg room and it would be a no brainer.
VCM sucks. But what's worse is their interpretation of start/stop technology. Not only do I find it disruptive and not at all smooth to drive but I think there are safety implications there too... that minor delay that is built-in for the engine to reengage is the difference between a narrow miss and getting t-boned, potentially.
As mentioned above, I was tired of playing the waiting game. I'd been waiting for the new Pilot since 2014. Should have just bought a '15 Pilot when I had the chance but then I wouldn't be here, now would I