[John JJ]

Hi all,
I have 2016 Sienna and I've considered wheels for winter tires for long time.
I have winter tires with black steel rims and when I installed the winter tires, I feel like my van is not stable.
So I bought a 2021 sienna wheels for winter tires today but it looks like TPMS is not compatible with my van.
My van is 2016 but is there any way to use TPMS with my 2021 new wheels?
I paid thousand dollars for these wheels so I really want to find the way.
Thanks guys

 

[Therbi]

Steel rims wont make your vehicle feel less stable. If you had winter tires last year and felt that its probably because the rubber is much softer on winter tires. Its meant to be so its more pliable in the cold and keep traction.
Is this the first time you went with snow tires? Did you put them on your vehicle already?
You probably wont feel any difference if all you did was go from steel to aluminum rims.

Why do you think the TPMS are not compatible? Did you take it somewhere to have them programmed?
Maybe provide more info on what you have done so far so that others might be able to help you.

 

[John JJ]

Thank you for your reply.
I've used my winter tires with steel rims for 4 years and I feel like my van is shaken when I drive my van with these winter tires.
That's why I did balancing check every year after I installed the winter tires.

I thought this shaken issue is because of steel wheels so I purchased alloy wheels which is from Sienna 2021.
The TPMS between 2016 and 2021 must be different because my van(2016) couldn't recognize new wheels(2021).

I would like to know how I can use TPMS on 2021 Sienna wheels for my 2016 Sienna.

You said I won't feel any differences if all I did was go from steel to alloy. Then I wonder why I feel something not stable(like shaking handles) if it's not a wheel problem....
All season tires, there is no issue at all. 4 years old winter tires and steel wheels, I feel something like the van is shaken when I drive.
Winter tires are look good and the technician said I can use them for 3~4 years more.

Please help me!

 

[Jagz]

Thank you for your reply.
I've used my winter tires with steel rims for 4 years and I feel like my van is shaken when I drive my van with these winter tires.
That's why I did balancing check every year after I installed the winter tires.

I thought this shaken issue is because of steel wheels so I purchased alloy wheels which is from Sienna 2021.
The TPMS between 2016 and 2021 must be different because my van(2016) couldn't recognize new wheels(2021).

I would like to know how I can use TPMS on 2021 Sienna wheels for my 2016 Sienna.

You said I won't feel any differences if all I did was go from steel to alloy. Then I wonder why I feel something not stable(like shaking handles) if it's not a wheel problem....
All season tires, there is no issue at all. 4 years old winter tires and steel wheels, I feel something like the van is shaken when I drive.
Winter tires are look good and the technician said I can use them for 3~4 years more.

Please help me!

There is no way to program 2021 sensors to a 2016, they use a completely different type of sensor and programming compared to the 2016.

 

[Therbi]

If the tires shake something is most likely wrong. Could just be a balance. Tires were not weighted right, maybe a bent rim etc. Do you notice the shake more depending on what tires are where on the car? If one of the tires isnt balanced right and that tire moves to the front do you feel the steering wheel shake?
Just because a shop checked the balance it doesnt mean they are any good at it.
I've never had problems with tires but I've seen lots of threads where people had all kinds of problems and better shops have fixed it. Either by road force balancing, turning the tire on the rim itself to get a better match up, finding bent rims etc.
Sometimes certain tires just suck and no matter how much you try to get them balanced you cant. Like a defective tire.
Cheap tires, like no name ones from China are known for this. Michelin is known to make higher quality tires that are not as prone to balancing issues. What tires do you have?
I would suggest taking it to a different shop, one that specializes in tires and does road force balancing and see what they say.
Hopefully someone else can chime in with more experience that can offer you some suggestions.

 

[John JJ]

There is no way to program 2021 sensors to a 2016, they use a completely different type of sensor and programming compared to the 2016.

Ooops.. That's too bad...

 

[John JJ]

If the tires shake something is most likely wrong. Could just be a balance. Tires were not weighted right, maybe a bent rim etc. Do you notice the shake more depending on what tires are where on the car? If one of the tires isnt balanced right and that tire moves to the front do you feel the steering wheel shake?
Just because a shop checked the balance it doesnt mean they are any good at it.
I've never had problems with tires but I've seen lots of threads where people had all kinds of problems and better shops have fixed it. Either by road force balancing, turning the tire on the rim itself to get a better match up, finding bent rims etc.
Sometimes certain tires just suck and no matter how much you try to get them balanced you cant. Like a defective tire.
Cheap tires, like no name ones from China are known for this. Michelin is known to make higher quality tires that are not as prone to balancing issues. What tires do you have?
I would suggest taking it to a different shop, one that specializes in tires and does road force balancing and see what they say.
Hopefully someone else can chime in with more experience that can offer you some suggestions.

I can't tell which tire is a problem. I think I have to go to a different shop.....
My winter tires are Bridgestone Blizzak, Run Flat Tires. I paid CAD1,600 for 4 tires from Costco 4 years ago.
After I got a solution from different shop, I will let you know guys.
Thanks

 

[OnTheRoadAgain]

The newer tpms starting 2018, I believe, have replaceable stems. The older do not. I think they are also different frequency. 315vs 400'something

Go to 17 minutes in.

 

[fibber2]

Toyota used a TRW sourced 315 MHz system on the Gen-II and Gen-III vans (beginning 2007 all the way up to 2020). A non-replaceable alloy valve stem was integral with the sensor body. Beginning with the 2021 Gen-IV vans Toyota finally updated the hardware. The new system is incompatible with the old, so the sensors in the wheels you bought cannot be used. Fortunately, the older model sensors are relatively inexpensive.

IIRC, this is the part numbers. I'm not seeing a lot of OEM TRW hardware out there, but here are some aftermarket units that claim to be compatible with the TRW equipped models (Sienna, Tundra, Sequoia). I have no idea if they are any good - I just listed them to give you some usable data for your search.

4PCS OEM 42607-0C070 FOR TOYOTA SIENNA TUNDRA SEQUOIA TPMS TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS | eBay

As far as steel wheels go..... Frankly I hate them and would never go back. I found cheaper aftermarket units sold for winter use were too often out of round as delivered or easily deformed by potholes and then rode poorly. You can't balance something that is not round. My experience. But I'll only go with alloy wheels.

The offset on those 2021 wheels might be a bit different from your 2016 specs. Someone else will have to advise you if they will be OK.

 

[fibber2]

Thread moved to the GEN-III van section and title adjusted for clarity.

 

[fibber2]

Here is a set being sold by Walmart that claim to be TRW. Great price for 4 sensors. Ignore the challenge. The link seems to work fine.

Robot or human?

 

[RedShift42]

Blizzaks usually feel more wallow-ey than regular 3-season tires. That vagueness can be reduced by running higher air pressure (which you should probably already be doing to preserve your tires’ shoulders)