[starlightmica]

Sienna closed out the year with sales down 24.4% in December, and down 35.1% in 2022 vs. 2021, about 38K vans. Sales of Camry & Highlander Hybrids were down a little over 4K and 21K vehicles, Avalon hybrid down 3.5K

RAV4 Hybrid sales were up 23.5% YOY, with 29K more sold. Lexus ES Hybrid sales were up 617 cars, NX Hybrid sold 13.8K, the prior generation used the older hybrid powertrain.

2022 Toyota US deliveries of the 2.5L hybrid powertrain are down over 20K units vs. 2021 if I did my math right. Hope they do better in 2023.

 

[Dimitrij]

What a horrible year for Toyota in general, in the US at least.

 

[Vanfam12345]

You can't sell what you can't build and you can't build what you can't source

 

[cougarhound]

Well my stock portfolio is doing crappy too. I think things are just expensive plus supply chain issues. Also the younger generation of kids seem to love ugly cars like the NX, Mach e, etc. I don't see myself ever buying one of those things. I'd rather be in a Station Wagon tbh. They should bring back the AMC Eagle too. It would make a killing. Lol.

 

[Jetstreamblue]

Pretty bad numbers overall, and you can see the focus is on pumping out their bread-and-butter RAV4's (the NX is also basically a RAV4, from the same factory here in Ontario). Also interesting that the Highlander Hybrid numbers from the same plant are lower than the Sienna, although of course with the Highlander they can pump out more non-hybrid ones to make up for sales. Here is Canada I heard it's basically impossible now to find a Highlander Hybrid, almost as bad as the Sienna, the sales guys just push you to buy a gas one instead.

 

[soxster]

For myself, after driving my Sienna hybrid and it's amazing gas mileage, I am not going back to a 100% ice vehicle if a hybrid is available.....a Sienna or otherwise.

 

[cougarhound]

After the 9000lb EV Hummer, I must say I have very little good things to say about the taste of cars in the US. I mean the Volt was a great car and then they cancelled it.

 

[cougarhound]

For myself, after driving my Sienna hybrid and it's amazing gas mileage, I am not going back to a 100% ice vehicle if a hybrid is available.....a Sienna or otherwise.

Me too...But I'm falling in love with the new GR Corolla.

 

[20swrt]

This is why I do not believe there is a recession. We've got another chat with 1-2 years of buyers on the waiting list willing to pay MSRP and even over MSRP. The supply chain shortage from Asia (mainly China) - is still wreaking havoc on domestic production. This is forcing buyers to go elsewhere (Kia, Hyundai, Chrysler, Audi, etc).

 

[Dimitrij]

After the 9000lb EV Hummer, I must say I have very little good things to say about the taste of cars in the US. I mean the Volt was a great car and then they cancelled it.

The Hummer EV, apart from being an affront to the environmentally-sensitive people, is not particularly good-looking either. And I continue to lament the Volt, or, more accurately, the Voltec powertrain which IMO could have been scaled up by 30-50% to power the Equinox and Colorado, respectively.

 

[cougarhound]

The Hummer EV, apart from being an affront to the environmentally-sensitive people, is not particularly good-looking either. And I continue to lament the Volt, or, more accurately, the Voltec powertrain which IMO could have been scaled up by 30-50% to power the Equinox and Colorado, respectively.

Yup. I know the Volt was not perfect but I think it was at least decent. I know a few people who had them but them traded it in for some reason. One guy traded it for a Tacoma. I never thought I would ever see him inside a Toyota. He was a GM guy. Lol.

 

[matrix007]

For myself, after driving my Sienna hybrid and it's amazing gas mileage, I am not going back to a 100% ice vehicle if a hybrid is available.....a Sienna or otherwise.

The same for me. I love our new Sienna 2023. The gas mileage is just amazing! I still don't believe my eyes... with my Mazda CX9 I refill every 5 days... with the Sienna, we just put gas twice a month. amazing!! and this thing drives like a dream.

 

[pamhar]

The same for me. I love our new Sienna 2023. The gas mileage is just amazing! I still don't believe my eyes... with my Mazda CX9 I refill every 5 days... with the Sienna, we just put gas twice a month. amazing!! and this thing drives like a dream.

Due to holidays driving less but still do drive regularly... have not filled up since end of November!!

 

[cougarhound]

The same for me. I love our new Sienna 2023. The gas mileage is just amazing! I still don't believe my eyes... with my Mazda CX9 I refill every 5 days... with the Sienna, we just put gas twice a month. amazing!! and this thing drives like a dream.

Interesting you say that about the handling. Mazda is known to have some of the best handling cars. Kinda hard to beat.

 

[Dimitrij]

Interesting you say that about the handling. Mazda is known to have some of the best handling cars. Kinda hard to beat.

My dear wife thinks that Mazdas have a special 'brown/red noise' vibration to them (she has been hooked on Mazdas for at least 20 years). I never heard her praise specifically the handling.

The same for me. I love our new Sienna 2023. The gas mileage is just amazing! I still don't believe my eyes... with my Mazda CX9 I refill every 5 days... with the Sienna, we just put gas twice a month. amazing!! and this thing drives like a dream.

As someone who has driver both the CX-9 and the Gen 4 Sienna, how would you compare these two vehicles (apart from the fuel efficiency)?

 

[Artie]

You can't sell what you can't build and you can't build what you can't source

This 100%. We’ve bought 2 Toyotas, one this past March and about to finalize a deal on a Sienna. We got super lucky with the Sienna, there’s nothing but low trim levels and we wanted a AWD Platty. 20 min after emailing with my 10th sales person she emails me with an allocation of a AWD Platinum… it’s 1 of 7 that was allocated this cycle.

 

[cougarhound]

I consider us Sienna owners as trend setters. I am hoping to put pointless SUVs out of style. If you need them for a big family to haul a boat then fine....but I get annoyed with people who buy them to hide their insecurities.

Hauling boats and heavy offroading is pretty much the only thing a minivan can't do that an SUV can.

 

[Artie]

I get annoyed with people who buy them to hide their insecurities.

Hauling boats and heavy offroading is pretty much the only thing a minivan can't do that an SUV can.

I find statements like this so silly.

You can have a big truck or SUV because you like big truck SUV’s, we’re free to buy what we like.

Attributing someone’s choices in vehicles, or anything for that matter, to an insecurity or inadequate size of a reproduction organ is absurd at best or projection or envy at worst. More importantly, how can you know they drive that because they are insecure, what evidence do you have?

SUV’s are not pointless, they definitely have their place. While the minivan is a great vehicle, they are soulless to drive. Yes, I am replacing a full size SUV for a van, but I would have bought the van in the beginning if it had 450 horsepower and was a luxury vehicle that could produce a smile while stabbing the skinny peddle, there’s 3 more items to add to your list of things SUV’s can do that minivans can’t. These are 2 completely different vehicles for completely different use cases and comparing them to each other makes no sense.

 

[cougarhound]

I find statements like this so silly.

You can have a big truck or SUV because you like big truck SUV’s, we’re free to buy what we like.

Attributing someone’s choices in vehicles, or anything for that matter, to an insecurity or inadequate size of a reproduction organ is absurd at best or projection or envy at worst. More importantly, how can you know they drive that because they are insecure, what evidence do you have?

SUV’s are not pointless, they definitely have their place. While the minivan is a great vehicle, they are soulless to drive. Yes, I am replacing a full size SUV for a van, but I would have bought the van in the beginning if it had 450 horsepower and was a luxury vehicle that could produce a smile while stabbing the skinny peddle, there’s 3 more items to add to your list of things SUV’s can do that minivans can’t. These are 2 completely different vehicles for completely different use cases and comparing them to each other makes no sense.

As I said they have their place. And let me clarify... if you like it, it's a free country. But you know what I find silly? Guys who say stuff like, "I don't wanna be seen in a minivan." It's a two way street.

I have a 4runner and I kinda feel guilty so I take it offroading every now and then cause its fun but also I would feel silly for owning something that capable and not using it for it's purpose. Like if I owned a Corvette I would take some racing classes and track it....but that's just me.

 

[Artie]

As I said they have their place. And let me clarify... if you like it, it's a free country. But you know what I find silly? Guys who say stuff like, "I don't wanna be seen in a minivan." It's a two way street.

I have a 4runner and I kinda feel guilty so I take it offroading every now and then cause its fun but also I would feel silly for owning something that capable and not using it for it's purpose. Like if I owned a Corvette I would take some racing classes and track it....but that's just me.

I hear yeah but I think you’re too worried about what people think… possibly because of your stance on people buying SUVs because they are insecure, there may be some projecting going on but what do I know, I’m just a stay at home dad with an absurd taste in cars.

Drive your 4Runner and don’t worry if you’re not wheeling it, buy a Corvette and don’t track it. I absolutely love it when I see people drive a Prius with mud tires…’run what you brung’ and don’t worry about what anyone else thinks about it.

The people who matter don’t care and the people who care don’t matter.