This is correct and I face that in Mexico as well. I hear histories here where people agree to pay 500USD to sales man and they get the Toyotas in 2 months or earlier. They "move you" on the waiting list if you pay or accept some extras like additional warranty + floor mats and/or more accessories.
Almost 1 Year Of Waiting for our Sienna. Anyone else?
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Bribing the sales person is interesting. You would probably have to bribe the sales/inventory manager too, as they tend to be the ones handling the allocation and "managing" the waiting list. I guarantee that this is unfortunately happening. The honest, fair and patient people are waiting 6-12+ months for a car, and the people that are either (or both) paying crazy money over MSRP, plus tipping their sales people, are probably getting cars much sooner.
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I bought a 2023 Sienna XLE in December. It was from a dealer I know well, as I bought from them before. If you want to the top of the line, get on their good side. Its easy to be nice to friends. I had to wait about 30 days or so, that's all. You can call SVG Toyota in Washington Court house Ohio, and they sell them at MSRP. Since I did THEM a favor, and took possession before the end of the year (I wanted to wait a few more days to get a little more cash down, I had to sell some things). Now, because of that, he says Toyota will allocate them more Siennas in 2023. Its a very very small dealership in a very small town. Be ready to fly or get a ride to this area when they arrive. The small dealerships dont have the massive advertising budgets, and you need to look them up. They often dont have their vehicles listed on sites like Car gurus and the like, so you have to call or email them. Better is to call. I was very happy with the dealership (SVG Toyota), and would/will buy there again. They informed me of rebates I was unaware of, the military and TFS rebates, which saved me 1000. And, because I asked about the spare, he also discounted, yes, discounted the MSRP by the amount of the spare, so I bought it 1100 below MSRP, including rebates.
I was "shocked" at how much I got for my trade. It was a sweet ride..a 2022 Honda CRV hybrid EXL, with under 10,000 miles. I buy nothing buy hybrids...We are not the only ones who want to save gas and not fuss with plugging in an electric car and worrying about the range.
And, those hybrids in nice shape are always easy to sell and bring more than non hybrids. In Camry (camry hybrid) and corolla (corolla hybrid), and Honda (both CRV hybrid and accord hybrid), the hybrid versions wont cost you..they save you money twice. They save you at the pump, and make you money when you sell them. Honda and Toyota hybrids are very popular for very good reasons.
For example, the CRV hybrid "does not have the oil dilution" problem, in no small part because it does not need a turbo. It has electric motors which increase the hp instead, like Sienna.
I avoid Turbo's, I want naturally aspirated hybrids. I have bought and sold or traded at least a dozen or so cars in the past 36 months or so. Subaru, Honda, Toyota's, mostly. The Subaru was my one exception to hybrids. Oh, and ONE Silverado. I sold or traded all these cars for more than I paid new. I could sell my 2023 Sienna XLE for more than I paid, but I wont do that right now. The Sienna has about 4000 miles and looks, drives, acts, and even has a warranty similar to a new one. If I do decide to sell my Sienna, I will let you know, but I would not do that until/unless my Maverick arrives. I really want a Maverick hybrid.
The only thing I dont like about the Sienna is the gimmicky hands free door openers and closers. In the 2022 Siennas, the hands free door opener sensors often cause battery run down, so your car wont start. That problem seems to be solved in the 2023 models, at least in mine, because I have never had my car fail to start.
Unless you want to pay 50 grand for a car, then call someone to jump start it often, then I cant recommend a 2022 Sienna. However, If you are certain this problem is fixed you would do fine. There is a service bulletin on the problem. Its simple enough tho.
Take your car to the dealer and ask them to disable the gimmicky irritating hands free door sensors. You may be able to figure out how to disable the door sensors yourself, but, again, I dont want to plop down 50 grand for a car, then figure out how to fix it so it will start.
If I wanted to solve car problems like not being able to start it because the battery drains, then I would probably drive a 1000 dollar car...they would have lots of problems to solve like that. However, I solved many car problems in the past, and no longer wish to trouble shoot problems and solve them. Im too old for that. I just want to drive them, in comfort, and get great gas mileage. And, of course, wash and maintain them. The Sienna is easy to maintain. Drive it to the dealer about 2 times a year and tell them to maintain it. Thats it.
I was "shocked" at how much I got for my trade. It was a sweet ride..a 2022 Honda CRV hybrid EXL, with under 10,000 miles. I buy nothing buy hybrids...We are not the only ones who want to save gas and not fuss with plugging in an electric car and worrying about the range.
And, those hybrids in nice shape are always easy to sell and bring more than non hybrids. In Camry (camry hybrid) and corolla (corolla hybrid), and Honda (both CRV hybrid and accord hybrid), the hybrid versions wont cost you..they save you money twice. They save you at the pump, and make you money when you sell them. Honda and Toyota hybrids are very popular for very good reasons.
For example, the CRV hybrid "does not have the oil dilution" problem, in no small part because it does not need a turbo. It has electric motors which increase the hp instead, like Sienna.
I avoid Turbo's, I want naturally aspirated hybrids. I have bought and sold or traded at least a dozen or so cars in the past 36 months or so. Subaru, Honda, Toyota's, mostly. The Subaru was my one exception to hybrids. Oh, and ONE Silverado. I sold or traded all these cars for more than I paid new. I could sell my 2023 Sienna XLE for more than I paid, but I wont do that right now. The Sienna has about 4000 miles and looks, drives, acts, and even has a warranty similar to a new one. If I do decide to sell my Sienna, I will let you know, but I would not do that until/unless my Maverick arrives. I really want a Maverick hybrid.
The only thing I dont like about the Sienna is the gimmicky hands free door openers and closers. In the 2022 Siennas, the hands free door opener sensors often cause battery run down, so your car wont start. That problem seems to be solved in the 2023 models, at least in mine, because I have never had my car fail to start.
Unless you want to pay 50 grand for a car, then call someone to jump start it often, then I cant recommend a 2022 Sienna. However, If you are certain this problem is fixed you would do fine. There is a service bulletin on the problem. Its simple enough tho.
Take your car to the dealer and ask them to disable the gimmicky irritating hands free door sensors. You may be able to figure out how to disable the door sensors yourself, but, again, I dont want to plop down 50 grand for a car, then figure out how to fix it so it will start.
If I wanted to solve car problems like not being able to start it because the battery drains, then I would probably drive a 1000 dollar car...they would have lots of problems to solve like that. However, I solved many car problems in the past, and no longer wish to trouble shoot problems and solve them. Im too old for that. I just want to drive them, in comfort, and get great gas mileage. And, of course, wash and maintain them. The Sienna is easy to maintain. Drive it to the dealer about 2 times a year and tell them to maintain it. Thats it.
Hope you get it soon. We are going on eight months for ours. We put our order in for a Platinum, which may be a 2024 or 2025 before we get one. LOL!
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So I just hit the 1 year mark of waiting, since I signed a buyers order last Feb for MSRP. And I get a call from the Sales Manager that they have a XSE for me.... but it will be $3500 markup over sticker. They are rattling off all sorts of loopholes to get out of honoring the signed buyer's order, saying "well that was for a Woodland, and this is an XSE" "that was a 2022 model and now it's 2023" and "there was no VIN# on that buyers order".....
scum. total scum.
What recourse do I have?
scum. total scum.
What recourse do I have?
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I ordered 2022 sienna awd platinum in predawn gray mica never came and my sales.an said I'd. be getting 2023 instead it's been year.
I'm not sure what hold up is. Made in US now slow.
Wasn't this long in Japan..
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FWIW - I found this database of Siennas that were being tracked as of Jun 2022. But data collection stopped due to Toyota blocking data scraping. Here is the latest data collected.
docs.google.com
This is not mine. You can use this data to figure our things like - amount of AWD vs FWD (extrapolated from VIN data). 8 vs 7 passenger, number of different trim levels, etc.
2022 Sienna Hybrids Allocation Spreadsheet (Updated as of 6/30/2022)
Info Trim,Last Updated LE,6/30/2022 LE Plus Package,6/30/2022 Limited,6/30/2022 Platinum,6/30/2022 XLE,6/30/2022 XLE Plus Package,6/30/2022 XSE,6/30/2022 XSE Plus Package,6/30/2022 Next Update:,unknown Status: Toyota API blocked as of 10pm PST June 30th, 2022. Seems the API now possibly requires...
This is not mine. You can use this data to figure our things like - amount of AWD vs FWD (extrapolated from VIN data). 8 vs 7 passenger, number of different trim levels, etc.
waiting for what, exactly ?
A car payment? A depreciating asset? A car that will have more issues than you anticipate but you are expecting more because it's "new" ??? No, no, NO. Please think this through.
There are PLENTY of people that are URGING to WAIT on buying a new car, for at least 3 to 6 months. Mind you these are pros that eat, breathe, and live HONEST car sales. This is because dealers have been price gouging since COVID. And now quite frankly, the dealers are eating their own sh*t.
Interest rates are sky high, nobody is buying, car auctions are STALE, and sales are going way down. The prime goal of the new market: 'buy now because inventory is low". But sales are going the opposite direction, by MILES.
If you are impatient, and must have a brand new car, then go ahead and wait for a new car. Prices have already dropped 10 to 20%. If you wait a few more months, you are going to get a much better deal. Guaranteed.
Paying over MSRP for a VAN nonetheless, is just ridiculous. We aren't talking about a limited edition race car here. I have been in the car game for far too long and this current car market has people FOOLED into spending way too much money, all from a virus and greedy car dealers. Again if you look at the numbers, the sales are already declining, and this is not a slow decline. We are in a correction mode. In fact, Carvanna is basically bankrupt and Carmax can't even sell cars to compensate for depreciation. If you don't believe me (which you won't) do some research.
If you can pay 70% or full down, go ahead and buy a new car. But financing a van for $40 to 50k is downright dumb, especially in this economy, with high interest rates. Patience is a virtue. If you can't wait, like most, save thousands of dollars and buy a used vehicle. =)
A car payment? A depreciating asset? A car that will have more issues than you anticipate but you are expecting more because it's "new" ??? No, no, NO. Please think this through.
There are PLENTY of people that are URGING to WAIT on buying a new car, for at least 3 to 6 months. Mind you these are pros that eat, breathe, and live HONEST car sales. This is because dealers have been price gouging since COVID. And now quite frankly, the dealers are eating their own sh*t.
Interest rates are sky high, nobody is buying, car auctions are STALE, and sales are going way down. The prime goal of the new market: 'buy now because inventory is low". But sales are going the opposite direction, by MILES.
If you are impatient, and must have a brand new car, then go ahead and wait for a new car. Prices have already dropped 10 to 20%. If you wait a few more months, you are going to get a much better deal. Guaranteed.
Paying over MSRP for a VAN nonetheless, is just ridiculous. We aren't talking about a limited edition race car here. I have been in the car game for far too long and this current car market has people FOOLED into spending way too much money, all from a virus and greedy car dealers. Again if you look at the numbers, the sales are already declining, and this is not a slow decline. We are in a correction mode. In fact, Carvanna is basically bankrupt and Carmax can't even sell cars to compensate for depreciation. If you don't believe me (which you won't) do some research.
If you can pay 70% or full down, go ahead and buy a new car. But financing a van for $40 to 50k is downright dumb, especially in this economy, with high interest rates. Patience is a virtue. If you can't wait, like most, save thousands of dollars and buy a used vehicle. =)
Agreed, mostly.
But flip side of it is that no one needs a $40K+ car. No one is selling their last piece of underwear to buy a Sienna. It is a pseudo luxury purchase.
Also, there are more than enough people in US who have more money than they know what to do with it. Everyone is entitled to spend their money or save their money anyway they like.
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My salesman ordeed me a 2022 platinum suenna, awd with entertainment system almost a year ago.
He said I'd be getting a 2023 instead in predawn gray mica. Well see, spoke with him he said nothing so i looked on line and Minnesota has 13 sienbas and 4 coming in transit in Ida Grove. Ours is smaller one so maybe that's way.
Now maybe the one in transit mite be for someone it's just like k e I ordered..
He said I'd be getting a 2023 instead in predawn gray mica. Well see, spoke with him he said nothing so i looked on line and Minnesota has 13 sienbas and 4 coming in transit in Ida Grove. Ours is smaller one so maybe that's way.
Now maybe the one in transit mite be for someone it's just like k e I ordered..
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"Just say not" to paying over MSRP. Instead, say "yes" to a nationwide search. Yea, you may have to buy a plane ticket to pick it up, but, remember, that dealer who wanted 5k over MSRP drove you away. Offer em MSRP, and if they refuse, go to a place who will sell it for MSRP. Dont cave in to their demands. Grow a pair.
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The only dealer I found that was actually doing deals at sticker with no fees, told me that have 15 people ahead of me, and it would easily be 12-14+ months or more. And there's no guarantee on that.
I find it interesting that in the US you can search for vehicles on the Toyota site and there seems to be stock in some cases. In Canada, at least at my local dealers, they have all removed their new inventory pages and just have the model listings instead. Not like they have any stock anyway. You can count on one hand and it is all big stuff that no one wants. Tacoma, Sequoia, Tundra.
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I gave up on waiting after more than 6 months and bought like new 2020 xle for a good price. Could not be happier and regret not doing it much earier. The supply of new siennas has only gotten worse not better. Wait times in SF have increased from 6 months to 1-2 years and markups have gone up. Toyota doesn’t seem to have any plans to manufacture more of these. I wonder if profit margin on siennas is not as good so Toyota is not all prioritiIng its production.
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I just posted this on the Automotive Press YouTube channel. David is a great presenter and worked for Toyota as a engineer. Perhaps he can help...many are losing hope and need to purchase a vehicle soon. This situation is getting ridiculous and it is just a matter of time before a class action suit is initiated by an enterprising lawer. We are all willing to pay MSRP for the product but the dealers simply unwilling to live up to their agreements and engaging in what could probably be classified as criminal behavior and extortion that could violate interstate commerce laws, etc.
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Hi David There are several thousand people waiting to get a chance to purchase a 2023 Toyota Sienna. The US dealers are not bound by Canadian laws that require the base price to be fixed at MSRP and are asking criminal "dealer market adjustments" of up to $10,000! Some people have conceded and bought a Honda or Chrysler van and others are discussing legal action against the dealers and Toyota. The simple fix is to insure that production of Siennas catches up to demand before releasing another (related) vehicle. If the issue is not resolved soon the reputation that people like you have worked so tirelessly to create will be ruined. You have the ear of the decision makers...please help those of us that have been trying to buy Sienna Hybrids on waiting lists and with money on deposit for the past 1-2 years. More info on this situation at Siennachat.
Thank you!
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Hi David There are several thousand people waiting to get a chance to purchase a 2023 Toyota Sienna. The US dealers are not bound by Canadian laws that require the base price to be fixed at MSRP and are asking criminal "dealer market adjustments" of up to $10,000! Some people have conceded and bought a Honda or Chrysler van and others are discussing legal action against the dealers and Toyota. The simple fix is to insure that production of Siennas catches up to demand before releasing another (related) vehicle. If the issue is not resolved soon the reputation that people like you have worked so tirelessly to create will be ruined. You have the ear of the decision makers...please help those of us that have been trying to buy Sienna Hybrids on waiting lists and with money on deposit for the past 1-2 years. More info on this situation at Siennachat.
Thank you!
How about $18.5K markup?? That too with about $1.5K in fluff accessories.
See it for yourself : MSRP $57,537. Listed at $76,037.
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