[fibber2]

The Generals Altimax Artics wear much faster then the Blizzaks. I would need a new set of fronts every season when I had my Rio and Fit.

No doubt true. My understanding is that General's Arctic 12 addresses wear over the original Arctic that Bridgestone is attempting with the WS90 over the WS80. Fix something that was amiss without screwing up what works.

The Arctic 12 wore well and delivered the traction in some bad storms last year. It's not a WS80 replacement, but worth considering especially if you are on a budget.

 

[Geezer1]

And while most tire manufacturers don't state a 'shelf' or 'usage' lifetime, the general industry standard is to be wary of non-visual changes in rubber characteristics at the 10 year mark.

The following verbiage is in my 2014 Sienna owners manual in the Do-it-your-self maintenance section:

"Any tire over 6 years old must be checked by a qualified technician even if it has seldom or never been used or damage is not obvious."

The Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 Winter tires we use on my wife's 2012 Prius v have been in 6 winters and probably less than 6,000 miles. (She went through the first Winter on all-season tires which was a very bad idea since traction control on it cannot be switched off when stuck in deep snow.) I normally replace tires when/if they reach 7 years of age which was what I did when I replaced my trailer tires a few weeks ago.

 

[fibber2]

So I see that the Bridgestone rebate program expired on 9/9.... That's pretty early for a 'Fall' rebate! Wondering if they will announce anything new in the next week or two to remain competitive with everyone else out there.

I'm not shopping for the Sienna this year, but am building a package for my kid's new RAV4. I ordered a set of alloy rims yesterday, and already have a set of blank cloneable Autel MX sensors on the shelf. Tires are next.... but no rush. Maybe we'll get some roadtest data on the WS90's in time to help me know if the extra cost is worth it.

 

[Geezer1]

So I see that the Bridgestone rebate program expired on 9/9.... That's pretty early for a 'Fall' rebate! Wondering if they will announce anything new in the next week or two to remain competitive with everyone else out there.

It does seem odd that the "Bridgestone Fall Rebate" ended 14 days before fall begins but I guess that's no worse than the 2020 Sienna going on sale in early 2019. Don't worry. The Bridgestone Halloween Rebate or whatever they are going to call it will surely start soon. A handy feature of Costco membership is getting email notifications of when these rebates start and end.

 

[redmed]

Just received mt WS80's from Tire Rack. The date code is 3618 which makes these exactly 1 year old.

 

[Geezer1]

Just received mt WS80's from Tire Rack. The date code is 3618 which makes these exactly 1 year old.

That's older than I would have expected from Tire Rack but still pretty reasonable. After being reminded by this thread, I measured the tread depth on my Sienna's WS80's today. All are at just over 8/32 inch after two Winters of use - about 10,000 miles. They started out with 12/32" of tread. They should be fine for the coming Winter since their ice gripping layer wears off after they are down to less than 5/32 inch of tread. If we still have this Sienna at the beginning of Winter, 2020, these WS80's should still be at more than 5/32 inch of tread at the beginning of their 4th Winter when I would have them replaced.

When I replaced my last set of WS80's at 5/32 inch of tread, the Costco tire guy who did the transaction seemed to question my judgement. Even people that sell tires don't understand how much tread is needed to be effective on snow or know about the ice gripping layer of better Winter tires.

 

[redmed]

I put the WS80 tire up against the tire on the van and it seems more crowded than I expected. Of course once I mount the WS80 on the rim then on the van it will be only half of the extra height. Others have put 225/65R70's on their non AWD Sienna without problems?

 

[fibber2]

"crowned"?

 

[redmed]

"crowned"?

Crowded
Uncomfortably close
Wondering if the tire will rub when turning the front wheels.

 

[rodknee]

I put the WS80 tire up against the tire on the van and it seems more crowded than I expected. Of course once I mount the WS80 on the rim then on the van it will be only half of the extra height. Others have put 225/65R70's on their non AWD Sienna without problems?

the 225/65-17 is only .4" taller OD then the stock tire, but is thinner, so it will fit with no problems.

 

[redmed]

the 225/65-17 is only .4" taller OD then the stock tire, but is thinner, so it will fit with no problems.

Thanks, I have read others have ran 225/65R70's on Sienna's. After I put the new tires up against the current OE 235/60R17's tires the wheel well space seemed tighter than I expected. I had a thought that maybe the AWD drive version of Sienna has a higher lift and resulting ability to handle the taller 225's. That the FWD version may not handle the taller tire as well. I had a 4x4 Ford Ranger that I put on two size taller tires with out a problem and wondered that the AWD version Sienna was similar.

 

[fibber2]

TireRack is offering an $80 cash back card thru Monday 9/23 on tires from a number of brands, including the WS80 and WS90.

After a lot of deliberation, I decided to take the plunge on the WS90 without waiting for any reviews - just based on Bridgestone's press release and a few overviews from sellers.

Did I buy them from TR? In the end, no.... There is a NY based tire seller named Mavis (now with stores in 15 States), and it seems like they have a shop every 5-10 miles in my area. The density is crazy in lower NY, eastern PA and NJ. Their basic advertised prices are OK, but they really excel in closing the deal if you call and ask - especially against the big boys like TireRack. With mounting/balancing, they undercut TR and their local installer by $75. So they got the nod.

 

[JonVan]

FYI - 2019/2020 Winter Package Completed

#4 BS Blizzak WS80 - 235/60R17"	539.66
#4 - Rav4 Rims (tradeoffs)	100.00
#4 Schrader EZ- Sensor #33500	99.96
America's Tires- Service	92.00
#20 - Acorn Nuts (12 mm x 1.50)	17.99
#4 - Dust Caps (2-3/32 ID)	17.44
	Total	867.05

The Schrader EZ Sensor were cloned to the regular use TSMS

 

[fibber2]

Got the winter package assembled for my kid's Toyota RAV4 this weekend.

I ran into an interesting issue with the Autel MX-1 sensors: Region Code. Apparently sort of along the lines of DVD movies, you can get sensors that are not compatible with North American software programming tools. My TS-508 gave an area code error 6, and a call to Autel customer support confirmed that I had been sold a mix of Asia market & North America market units. The vendor agreed to take them back, and I ordered a new set last week. The newest sensor (the latest Autel release) goes back to 'screw in retainer' rather than 'push button' interchangeable valves. They cloned with no further issues.

Bridgestone WS-90 tires from Mavis in size 225/65R17 including mount/balance and sales tax = $624, minus $100 main-in rebate = $524.

4 piece Autel cloneable sensors = $120

4 piece new replica 5 spoke 17x7 RAV4 alloy wheels = $525 (including tax & shipping)

4 piece Toyota logo 62mm center caps = $10

Total = $1,179.00

Kid buys the wheels ($525), Mom & Dad do the rest ($654) including the running around!

 

[rodknee]

Mom & Dad do the rest ($654) including the running around!

glad i just got a dog...

 

[fibber2]

My yellow lab (or the GSD's before her) rarely ask to borrow the car key either. And their education costs have been minimal.

My wife quite often mutters "we could have just had another dog....."