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I was getting something similar to what you were seeing, and it was driving my crazy! Then I figured it out.....

I have both an Autel TS408 (successor to your TS401) and a TS508. I used the TS408 on all my cars until I bought the TS508. Haven't used the TS408 since, but I DID do a software update on both tools this summer.

I did notice that with the update the TS508 now shows both an option for 315 and 433 mhz. If you select Sienna 2006-2019, 315mhz, it works fine.

So, now on to the TS408 that I used for over a year successfully prior to buying the 508. It NO LONGER even lists a 315 option for the Sienna and does not work at all!!!!

Pilot error on my part. The old software was North America only. The new software is GLOBAL. But in the "Settings" section you have the option of your market. Select America, and you get both the 315 & 433 options. Select Europe, and you only get 433! Once I changed that on the TS408, everything worked fine.

So step one is to be sure you have your tool set to America, and properly select the 315mhz option.

Did you program those sensors yourself? Maybe you got it wrong by using a tool that was not set for USA vans?
 
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If fibber's software fix doesn't work, it would be helpful and interesting to know the error codes causing the TPMS light. This wanders from the thread topic, but "jumpering" TC to CG will cause the TPMS ECU to flash its error codes.
 

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Fifth time is the charm. I got home from work and tried the ATEQ quickset again. I followed the ATEQ instructions to a T and finally the light is off. Saved the settings from the PC to the quickset and followed the software instructions. Turn the car to ON, give it 5 seconds and do not start the car, then connect the ATEQ to the OBD connector and select either winter or summer until green light is solid. After a few seconds the light went off. :)
 

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I think the 433mhz thing was a red herring and definitely NOT real. A software issue with the Autel tool, not unlike what I was seeing when I selected the wrong region.

The ATEQ has also faulted on me occasionally over the years, particularly on sensors that arrived in 'deep sleep' mode. I once gave up totally on a Winter set bought from TireRack and needed a local dealers help to get it right the very first time. The ATEQ has worked seemlessly on that package ever since. It happens.... Glad you got it right in the end.

Unfortunately, while I believe in TPMS as a potential lifesaver, the implementation was so poor that I understand the backlash from many out there.
 

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Bridgestone Blizzak WS-90.... LOVE LOVE LOVE !!!

We've had them on my kid's 2018 RAV4 for a few weeks now, and had the chance to drive in moderate temp dry & wet, cold dry, a few inches of snow, and today in truly lousy icing rain, sleet and small hail. Assuming they do OK in deep powder, I'm going to declare these as my new favorite every condition winter tire.

By comparison, right now we have Continental ExtremeWinters on the Subi, General Altimax Arctic 12 on the CR-V and Blizzak WS-80's on the Sienna.
 

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Bridgestone Blizzak WS-90.... LOVE LOVE LOVE !!!

We've had them on my kid's 2018 RAV4 for a few weeks now, and had the chance to drive in moderate temp dry & wet, cold dry, a few inches of snow, and today in truly lousy icing rain, sleet and small hail. Assuming they do OK in deep powder, I'm going to declare these as my new favorite every condition winter tire.

By comparison, right now we have Continental ExtremeWinters on the Subi, General Altimax Arctic 12 on the CR-V and Blizzak WS-80's on the Sienna.
Nice! Been seeing good reviews on them so far

The WS-90s appear to have less sipes, but a more directional tread pattern while still chunky enough to dig into the deeper snow. Since the roads in my area get cleaned quickly, when the time comes to replace my WS-80s I might consider the WS-90s for sure as they seem to be a much more improved "all-rounder"
 

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Bridgestone Blizzak WS-90.... LOVE LOVE LOVE !!!

We've had them on my kid's 2018 RAV4 for a few weeks now, and had the chance to drive in moderate temp dry & wet, cold dry, a few inches of snow, and today in truly lousy icing rain, sleet and small hail. Assuming they do OK in deep powder, I'm going to declare these as my new favorite every condition winter tire.

By comparison, right now we have Continental ExtremeWinters on the Subi, General Altimax Arctic 12 on the CR-V and Blizzak WS-80's on the Sienna.
So you prefer the WS-90's over the WS-80's?
 

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My perception comparing two different vehicles with different levels of tire wear and my memory of what I liked and didn't like when the WS-80's were new..... Is it fair to say that yes, I think the wider footprint of the WS-90 promotes better dry handling and braking, while giving up nothing in bad weather thanks to a slightly different tread block arrangement? Hardly scientific, but I think the newer product is worth the slightly higher cost.
 

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My perception comparing two different vehicles with different levels of tire wear and my memory of what I liked and didn't like when the WS-80's were new..... Is it fair to say that yes, I think the wider footprint of the WS-90 promotes better dry handling and braking, while giving up nothing in bad weather thanks to a slightly different tread block arrangement? Hardly scientific, but I think the newer product is worth the slightly higher cost.
Good to know. My next winter tire purchase will be WS90's. I took my FWD Sienna out today for a 140 mile drive on snow covered roads today and the WS80's were great. I traveled on interstate highways and local roads. Some of the local roads had significant snow drifting. Normally I would have slowed down to maybe 25mph and white knuckled thru the drifting with all-season tires. After passing thru a few drifts with the WS80's I found myself relaxing and trusting the grip more than I expected. Why did I go all these years without winter tires?
 

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It was a relatively mild winter, but on the few snow and/or ice days we had (and I had a chance to take my kids car for a spin...), I have to say that the new Bridgestone WS90 tires are excellent!! Worth the money.

Oh, interesting issue I had with the Autel TS508. I tried several times to upload the 'summer' wheel set to the TPMS system on the Sienna, but the tool just wouldn't talk to the OBD port. I hooked the tool to my laptop, and there was a software update waiting. Told it to go ahead and update, then tried again. Worked like a charm. Why did the old software quit? No idea....

Lastly, I made clone sensors for my kid's WS90 wheel/tire package last Fall using Autel MX1 multi-freq sensor. Changed the winter for summer set, and never had to touch the OBD port! Nice....
 
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Oh, because someone on another thread asked about 17" Sienna LE trim wheels:

Toyota Sienna Wheel Silver Painted #4261108080 / 4261108070
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Toyota Sienna 2011-2020
Material: Aluminum
Style: 5 Spoke
Finish: Powder Coat Silver
Size: 17x7 Inch
Hub: 60.1 mm
Lugs: 5
Bolt Pattern: 4.5 Inch
Offset: 35 mm
 

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2019 Sienna LE Tire Size Downgrade to 215/65 R16 Safe?

Any from the community who tried downgrading OEM tire specs of 2019 Sienna LE (OEM: 235/60 R17) to 215/65 R16? Is it safe to do this? Will the smaller rims not contact the 2019 sienna brake caliper?

Considering to use the lower sizes for winter season as these were previously installed on my 2006 sienna ce that got traded in. However, the winter thread is still good and its on OEM rims with TPMS, hence, considering on re-using them for winter on the 2019 Sienna.
 

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I have a 2016 Sienna and was a previous owner of a 2004 Sienna. I too had 16 inch snow tires on 16" wheels left over. 16 inch wheels will absolutely not fit on the newer, (2011 - Present), Siennas. Toyota installed a larger diameter brake rotor on the front wheels. So the brake caliper was moved outboard. I tried to install my 16 inch wheels and they aren't even close to fitting. So I had to buy new wheels and snow tires for my 2016. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The steel wheels that come standard on a 2019 RAV4 are a perfect fit for the Sienna. However older RAV4 wheels are not the same as the 2019 RAV4 wheels. So you would have to check to see if older RAV4 wheels fit.
 

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I have a 2016 Sienna and was a previous owner of a 2004 Sienna. I too had 16 inch snow tires on 16" wheels left over. 16 inch wheels will absolutely not fit on the newer, (2011 - Present), Siennas. Toyota installed a larger diameter brake rotor on the front wheels. So the brake caliper was moved outboard. I tried to install my 16 inch wheels and they aren't even close to fitting. So I had to buy new wheels and snow tires for my 2016. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The steel wheels that come standard on a 2019 RAV4 are a perfect fit for the Sienna. However older RAV4 wheels are not the same as the 2019 RAV4 wheels. So you would have to check to see if older RAV4 wheels fit.
Thanks JMicket. That helped a lot. Much appreciated.
 

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nice thread!
i'm looking at running the WS80's on my OEM 17's this winter, and look for a set of 20's over the winter to run for the summer
 

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Interesting and informative thread!

I recently purchased a 2017 SE that came with 4 unmounted 19" Blizzak WS-80's. I want to mount them sometime before the fall so that I'm ready to go for next winter. The previous owner used them for 3 seasons and the thread depth still looks pretty decent. Instead of getting dedicated rims, he would have them mounted and dismounted using the existing 19" OEM wheels. To me, I think that's a lot of hassle to deal with twice a year!

As such, I'd like to get a set of 19" wheels to have these mounted, along with picking up some tire pressure sensors to have cloned. I've been looking on Craigslist and FB with no luck locally on that size. eBay has some 19" OEM sets, but they are between $800 and $1,200 for 4. I'm not sure if I want to invest that kind of cash on wheels for a winter set up. I did come across some 19" (2009 to 2013) Venza wheels that have identical specs with the exception of width. They are 7.5" vs. 7.0" on the Sienna. I'm guessing that 0.5" should make a difference. The Venza wheels are reconditioned to "as-new" condition and are going for $600 shipped and maybe I could find a set for less if I do more searching. Can anyone confirm if the width difference would be okay?

It appears that most folks on this thread have used 17" wheels for their winter set-up, using a cheap set of LE or RAV-4 wheels. I would consider this route if I didn't already have the 19's. With that said, the 19's I have are dated coded 26/17, so they are going on 4 years old. I don't see any brittleness or any other issues. Any idea what the life expectancy on the WS-80's might be from a deterioration standpoint? Would new 17" tires with be a better way to go?

Thanks for the assistance!
 

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The advantages of going with 17" is reduced cost and the higher sidewall for handling rutted winter roads. I'm very happy with the choice of 17", but a gift of 19" tires makes it hard to look away. Fortunately, it's not even March yet, so you have 8 months to hunt.

Lets say you went with the Venza wheels. A half inch wider wheel with the same offset should distribute 6mm to the inside and outside evenly, with the centerline being correct. A 235mm tire should work fine on a 7.5" rim. It will increase the section width about a quarter of an inch overall by virtue of moving the bead seat out a bit, but I doubt that it would be a problem. Still, it's best to see if anyone who has done this will comment.
 

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Interesting and informative thread!

I recently purchased a 2017 SE that came with 4 unmounted 19" Blizzak WS-80's. I want to mount them sometime before the fall so that I'm ready to go for next winter. The previous owner used them for 3 seasons and the thread depth still looks pretty decent. Instead of getting dedicated rims, he would have them mounted and dismounted using the existing 19" OEM wheels. To me, I think that's a lot of hassle to deal with twice a year!

As such, I'd like to get a set of 19" wheels to have these mounted, along with picking up some tire pressure sensors to have cloned. I've been looking on Craigslist and FB with no luck locally on that size. eBay has some 19" OEM sets, but they are between $800 and $1,200 for 4. I'm not sure if I want to invest that kind of cash on wheels for a winter set up. I did come across some 19" (2009 to 2013) Venza wheels that have identical specs with the exception of width. They are 7.5" vs. 7.0" on the Sienna. I'm guessing that 0.5" should make a difference. The Venza wheels are reconditioned to "as-new" condition and are going for $600 shipped and maybe I could find a set for less if I do more searching. Can anyone confirm if the width difference would be okay?

It appears that most folks on this thread have used 17" wheels for their winter set-up, using a cheap set of LE or RAV-4 wheels. I would consider this route if I didn't already have the 19's. With that said, the 19's I have are dated coded 26/17, so they are going on 4 years old. I don't see any brittleness or any other issues. Any idea what the life expectancy on the WS-80's might be from a deterioration standpoint? Would new 17" tires with be a better way to go?

Thanks for the assistance!
LOL, fibber beat me to it - again!

Whether your WS80's are worth using depends on how much tread is remaining. Some state government agencies (e.g. Caltrans) specify 6/32 inch as the minimum tread for winter tires. I usually push that a little further where I live and replace our winter tires at 5/32 inch which is a little past where Blizzaks lose their sticky ice gripping layer. I've been getting three winters out of each set of WS80's on my 2014 Sienna that way - a total of about 15,000 miles per set. My second set of Blizzaks is at 5/32 inch of tread or maybe even a little less but I haven't replaced them due to the Sienna barely being driven in the past year due to the pandemic. I drove it on snow for the first time this winter a couple of weeks ago when I went to get my first COVID-19 vaccination.

5/32 or 6/32 inch of tread may look like a lot but it's not when it comes to driving on snow.

So ... my view is that your Blizzaks should be discarded if they are below 7/32 inch of tread or maybe even if they have more tread than that. The ice gripping tread layer is the main benefit of Blizzaks and they're not worth using if that's gone or nearly gone. I don't know where you live but 19" inch winter wheels and tires would be awfully uncomfortable on the potholes where I drive. $600 "should" buy you a set of like-new refurbished OEM Sienna 17" LE wheels. I bought mine from Wheels and Caps - they are currently $587.16 for a set of 4 not including shipping and tax: Aluminum Alloy 17x7 wheel,rim ALY69584U

The wheels I bought from Wheels and Caps were absolutely like new and are still in excellent condition after 7 years. Wheels and Caps also has 17" steel wheels if you want to go that route but I wouldn't recommend steel due to requiring different lug nuts and optionally wheel covers if you want them to look nice. The Wheels and Caps website has some design issues - don't be surprised if you have to right click and open in a new tab or window to see stuff.

WS80 has been replaced with WS90 which are currently $623.96 for a set of four at Costso where I buy most of our tires. (Edit: that price is for 235/60-17 tires) I always wait for one of the frequent (4 times per year?) promotions where Bridgestone tires are $70 or more less expensive per set. Costco also sells pressure sensors at what I think are reasonable prices but they might not deal with cloneable sensors. I bought traditional sensors at Costco which they installed on the wheels I bought from Wheels and Caps when they mounted the first set of WS80 which I also bought at Costco. Maybe I'll try cloned sensors on our next vehicles if this old dog can be taught new tricks but it takes me barely 5 minutes to upload the sensor ID's with my cheap (pathetic) ATEQ tool when I do the changeovers.

Full disclosure: I'm a Costco "shill" - been a shareholder for 20 years. Regardless, I've found that Costco has had the lowest prices on tires over and over and it doesn't hurt that I can hit the nearest Costco with a rock from where I live - figuratively speaking.
 

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Thank you fibber2 for the reply! I do like the look of the SE wheels and would prefer finding those if I could scout them at better price. I think the Venza wheels, along with 19" Highlander, RAV-4, etc. wheels having a 7.5" width should work as well, but it would be nice to hear of someone using these other wheels, even with a summer set up, to get their thoughts.
 

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Thanks, too, to Geezer for the great information! I don't have a thread depth tool, but I guess I should pick one up or bring the tires to my local Firestone store so they can tell me what depth remains. It may be worth going the route you pursued by purchasing a great set of refurbished 17" wheels (thanks for the link on where you purchased yours!). I do belong to Costco (love them!) and have purchased multiple sets of tires over the years, taking advantage of the sales that come up on Bridgestone and Michelin tires! Like fibber2 mentioned, I do have 8 months to sort this all out!

I did read in this thread about the WS-90's. They sound like they're an improvement from the 80's! I will also have to look into the ATEQ tool you and others have mentioned. I do wish the Sienna's had an indirect monitoring system like my wife's CR-V. It makes things simpler, but I guess there are pros and cons with that too.
 
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