I thought the WS80s were sloppy on dry, wet, warm and cold...Turns out I bought them again for the Sienna. Can only speak to the dry driving on the minivan but they dont really feel much different than the OEM tires, then again we dont drive the minivan aggressively like I did the previous car.Well lexusminivan doesn't say WHEN he thought the Blizzaks were sloppy. I just had my Element mounted up a few weeks ago with WS80. It was warm (65F) and dry here for awhile (I mounted early to avoid the rush) and they were definitely sloppy. As the temp has dropped (now 38F) they have gotten way better but still I could see someone calling them sloppy. In the end all I care about is I don't crash coming down my driveway. My last pair of Blizzaks were great. Run up and down the local steep canyons to the ski resorts with confidence and comfort. Just mounted DM-V2 on our Sienna. Blizzaks all the way for us and every skier we know locally.