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It was finally time for my wife to part with her beloved 2010 black Sienna LE with 235K on it. We were on a waiting list for a black 2022 XSE for 9 months, and finally got ours 2 months ago. Ours came with the entertainment package; we didn't want it but didn't have a choice unless we were willing to wait for one without.

Due to the demand for these vehicles and relative praise they received, my expectations for this vehicle experience was very high, not to mention that it was our first time ever owning a brand new car in my 30 years of owning cars. My initial expectations were probably too high.

We have loved our 2010 over the years, so I have a good basis for comparsion.

Things in it I really like or may have exceeded my expectations:
  • Automatic high beams- don't think I will get another car without it. Never use high beams in our other cars because I too often forget to turn them off for opposing traffic.
  • Dynamic cruise control- the three distance settings are also a lot more useful than I would have expected
  • Seat upholstery- love the material used in the XSE; looks great, is very comfortable and is easy to clean
Things that met my expectations, didn't particularly disappoint or wow me.
  • Kick sensors to open trunk and side doors- major convenience for us, as we snowboard every weekend for three months and have our hands full at the end of the day. While I can get the trunk to open fairly reliably, closing is a lot more finicky, when unloading the trunk.
  • EV mode- I like how quiet it is, but the conditions where it can be enabled are so uncommon that it feels more like a gimmick than a real fuel saver. Not done evaluating it, willing to accept my view may change over time with more experience.
  • Sport/Normal/ECO mode- I barely notice any difference between the three modes, whether driving highway or local; we just leave it in ECO
  • Ignition- for the first month this was a negative for me. Because the engine doesn't start right away, it was confusing; is the car ready to drive or not? I've gotten used to looking for the 'READY' light on the dashboard so not as much of an annoyance anymore. I do however still have the opposite problem- I sometimes forget to turn the car off when parked because it switched to EV mode on the way to the spot, making me think the car was already off.
  • Jury not out yet for me on the center console, as to whether I like our lower 2010 console which made things feel more open- or the higher new one. Perhaps over time I'll like it better.
  • Mirror blind spot indicator- I think my expectations might have been too high for this feature. It works fine and as designed, but doesn't make changing lanes as effortless as I had anticipated.

Things that are, at least so far, a disappointment:
  • Remote start- this has been a major letdown so far. It simply does not work reliably. After lots of practice, I still need to try three or four times to get it to work with the key fob, starting with all doors locked. I really also don't like that you need to observe the tail / mirror light flashing patterns to know if the start actually worked. Seems that you need to be within 30 feet of the car for it to work at all.
    By comparison, I can start my 2018 Ford Fusion while sitting on a moving train coming into the station from at least 120 feet away- and I know when it has started because the key fob itself lights a green indicator upon success. The button presses themselves are also much simpler to execute. Even our 2012 F150's remote start works super reliably and from a long distance.
    Remote start is an important feature for us because we regularly need to start the car in sub freezing temps throughout the winter to warm it up before the family boards.
    I'd love to know how this was implemented this so poorly on a current generation vehicle.
    -and don't get me started on the connect services (toyota phone app). That also never works the first time, even after remembering to completely lock the vehicle first. Incomprehensible that this requires a pay-for subscription.
  • Multiple seat position memory- my 2018 Fusion Titanium has this feature, allowing multiple settings. I was very surprised to find out the XSE trim level doesn't, given Sienna is a more family oriented vehicle.
  • Entertainment system- beautiful display that folds down from the ceiling, set at a perfect viewing position for all rear passengers. Pretty close to zero practical use for it. IPhones cannot natively screen cast to it without some type of wired connection and adapter. Without an internet connection, which is 90% of our regular trips because we don't have a consistent hotspot signal, nothing to stream to it. Our kids can download movies ahead of time from our streaming services to their IPads, but then- why not view on those screens?
  • Strangely un-useful alerts- last month on a below freezing day after snow, upon starting the car an audible and visual alert popped up advising me to be careful- the roads may be icy. Same alert pops up at seemingly random times, like over the weekend when it was sunny, dry and 45 degrees out during mid-day. That takes it from not useful to annoying in a hurry.

These are my experiences after two months. If anyone has any comments or suggestions on the above, would like to know your thoughts.​
 

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Multiple seat position memory
Yep. Only on Limited and Platinum


last month on a below freezing day after snow, upon starting the car an audible and visual alert popped up advising me to be careful- the roads may be icy. Same alert pops up at seemingly random times
When temp falls below 37F
 

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Remote start- this has been a major letdown so far. It simply does not work reliably. After lots of practice, I still need to try three or four times to get it to work with the key fob, starting with all doors locked.
I feel like Toyota didn't really think of the key fob remote start as a major feature, I'd say they almost intentionally hide it and keep it as a "hack". They're definitely pushing you to use the app, but from what I have heard it isn't particularly reliable either, but others who actually have it and use it can chime in.
 

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OP - what region are you located in? Also, FWD or AWD?
We're in NY, majority of our winter miles is spent going from downstate up to the Adirondacks on winter weekends.

My wife loved her 2010 Sienna, high miles and all but had gotten fed up trying to make it out of our steep driveway to work in icy conditions with FWD. A week ago we put snows on the new AWD XSE and so far it has managed snow and ice with the greatest of ease.

One other thing I forgot to add to the disappointments list is how poor the wireless phone charger is- it's the one in front of the center console. Even when placed perfectly our IPhones won't charge on it consistently. It's not a huge problem because we always use CarPlay on trips, which requires a wired connection- but just seems so shoddy; it was put in just so it could be advertised as a feature, but should have been skipped altogether. You wouldn't see things like that done in older Toyotas.

I would definitely agree with another poster here that the sliding second row seats are great; their ease of position change is something we make use of a lot already.
 

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Entertainment system- beautiful display that folds down from the ceiling, set at a perfect viewing position for all rear passengers. Pretty close to zero practical use for it. IPhones cannot natively screen cast to it without some type of wired connection and adapter. Without an internet connection, which is 90% of our regular trips because we don't have a consistent hotspot signal, nothing to stream to it. Our kids can download movies ahead of time from our streaming services to their IPads, but then- why not view on those screens?
iOS doesn't have anything natively, but the entertainment system supports DLNA, and DLNA apps are available for iOS that all you to play movies, display pictures, and do screen mirroring of iOS devices to the rear screen. Movies, of course, would have to be downloaded ahead of time, but DLNA itself works over WiFi, so you can connect the iOS device to the entertainment system without a wired connection and adapter, if you have the right app installed. (I haven't personally tested this, as I don't have a 4th gen, but I read about this and remembered it from the 4th gen Multimedia Manual.)
 

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Sport/Normal/ECO mode: Other then HVAC strength did not notice any significant difference. We just leave it in Normal as tried ECO for about a month and mileage was similar but comfort less due to less then adequate AC.
 

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My entertainment system has gone unused so far. We also have mostly mostly Apple devices. You could load up an Apple TV with games and content at home, then put it in the Sienna for the road. There are Apple TV 12V adapter kits if you need the inverter for another device.

I suggested to the kids to plug in the Nintendo Switch dock - AC adapter to the inverter and video out to HDMI port on a recent long trip, but they napped instead.
 

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iOS doesn't have anything natively, but the entertainment system supports DLNA, and DLNA apps are available for iOS that all you to play movies, display pictures, and do screen mirroring of iOS devices to the rear screen. Movies, of course, would have to be downloaded ahead of time, but DLNA itself works over WiFi, so you can connect the iOS device to the entertainment system without a wired connection and adapter, if you have the right app installed. (I haven't personally tested this, as I don't have a 4th gen, but I read about this and remembered it from the 4th gen Multimedia Manual.)
This is great info - where can I find more information on this? we have a platinum but never used the screen in the back since it seems very complicated to setup properly, like streaming Netflix etc
 

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This is great info - where can I find more information on this? we have a platinum but never used the screen in the back since it seems very complicated to setup properly, like streaming Netflix etc
The 2021+ Sienna HV Navigation and Multimedia System Owner's Manual, starting on page 165.

Note again I don't own the hybrid Sienna, nor have I used DLNA. However, it connects via WiFi (it makes a hotspot that you connect your device to). I know when I use WiFi to connect my iPhone to my Canon RP camera, my iPhone complains that the Canon WiFi network has no internet occasionally and to "keep trying" or "disconnect." So if you have iOS devices, and that happens, just tell it to "keep trying." You're not using the WiFi for internet, and iOS isn't smart enough to tell the difference.
 

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IIRC, Apple doesn't support DLNA, or at least make it plug-n-play.

For all who have been here long enough, please look away;). I am gonna go on my usual suggestion.

For Apple, Google pixels and others who can't get Miracast to work.

Get a 50 bucks Samsung phone. Use it as a tablet, not phone. It's literally child's play to Miracast from a Samsung. It is android, but it wont take more than 5 minutes to get to know streaming apps on it. Download stuff on it at home, or use your primary phone's hotspot on the road. My S4 (circa 2013), S7 (2016), Note10, and S22 Ultra all connect within seconds. Most of the cheapy phones take external MicroSD card so you have unlimited space to download stuff.
 

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We've used downloads for offline viewing on our IPads for years. I did not know you could also download for offline viewing from an Apple TV, surprised they would make that possible. Going to try it when I get home.
Yes, Apple TV+, Disney+, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and ad-free Hulu allow movie/show saves.
This appears to be incorrect. Apple TV does not seem to support downloading content to its own storage for offline viewing. If it did this would have been a solution for us.
 

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Get a 50 bucks Samsung phone. Use it as a tablet, not phone. It's literally child's play to Miracast from a Samsung. It is android, but it wont take more than 5 minutes to get to know streaming apps on it. Download stuff on it at home, or use your primary phone's hotspot on the road. My S4 (circa 2013), S7 (2016), Note10, and S22 Ultra all connect within seconds. Most of the cheapy phones take external MicroSD card so you have unlimited space to download stuff.
I would not have thought to consider this, and now feel dumb for not thinking of it. Seems like the best way to use the Sienna TV, love that there's nothing to plug in. Thanks for the great suggestion pamhar!
 

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I don’t use the remote for remote starting. If you have an iPhone, use Siri to start, lock, and unlock it. So easy. Works reliably.
To set up:
Go to your Toyota app, click on your VIN number on top left, go down to Siri Shortcuts on bottom right and set up. Easy peasy.
 

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I feel like Toyota didn't really think of the key fob remote start as a major feature, I'd say they almost intentionally hide it and keep it as a "hack". They're definitely pushing you to use the app, but from what I have heard it isn't particularly reliable either, but others who actually have it and use it can chime in.
I need and ended up hating the sienna's remote ignition. My work van is a 2021 Pacifica and that car is always nice and toasty to get into or nice and chilly. This last one is important here in SoCal especially with the summer heat and rubber/pleather seat materials. I can start up the Pacifica from what feels like a football field away. I think this function is standard across all Pacifica. On a tangent, if the Pacifica had AWD for the hybrid trim, both vans at my home would've prob been Pacificas. On the Sienna, if the planets are in alignment you may be able to get the remote start to work from 20 ft away only to have the engine turn off when you unlock the door. Think how inconvenient this will be when you have little ones needing help getting into car seats.

The resolution for us may soon be just get an aftermarket remote ignition. I can't stand these subscription services for functions to our own cars.

Thanks for letting me rant on this annoying subject. Cheers..
 

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We have a 2007 Sienna AWD and love it. Same for our 2014 Sienna AWD.
(hated the run flats tires and changed them out to non-run flats ASAP and got a spare wheel and tire for each car).
When my Wife discuss our next new car purchase we always say a new hybrid Sienna.
It was very enlightening reading your and other's views.
Simba
 
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