I looked at the new van and I won't be buying it either! The second row seats not being removable, the width access on the side door is much smaller not including the seats that get in your way now. I do flea marketing and you will just be able to put a 18 gal tote in the side door side ways (between the new design handrail and the door) but not at all with the seats not being removable! The cargo area is smaller and the rear height above the 3rd row is also lower. Many of people use these vehicles for Flea Markets, traveling with their dogs, hauling big box store supplies or camping on the weekends. they tried to make it more of an SUV than a Mini Van! There are plenty of SUV's in the market, why would they do this?? The front console is worthless because you can not access the storage area underneath if you are in the seat. Also, with it being so elevated it is not very fat friendly! You are in a cockpit that doesn't move. Oh yeah.. what ever happened to access to the rear if you need to get to the kids for any reason? No one is climbing that raised console especially the driver with the steering wheel in your way. This was a major selling feature when they first started making minivans. Who needs reclining seats???? Surely not the children that are in car seats till what age?? Their little legs don't even reach! The Hybrid engine is so quiet you can't even hear it running when you are idling. I'm so frustrated because I have been waiting for the re-design for a few years. Now I am looking into something else. The Pacifica seats all fold into the floor. The Kia Sedona has a nice wide side door and the cargo is pretty decent. Can't believe I am even looking at something besides a Toyota but until they change a LOT of things I'm done!