Are Sienna's known to eat tires like this?

Yes, it's the nature of this particular beast to eat tires (and brakes). I've got 28,000 miles on our original tires and they're already down to the wear bars, and this is with 'grandpa style' driving. If you go on tirerack.com and search for user reviews of Sienna owners, just about every single tire review comments on short tire life. This is across MANY different brands of tires.

 

wmshay6, Welcome to the tire eating club. Sienna are as heavy as mid-size SUV's but have S#$tty engineering on the 16" and 17" tires. I talked with discount tire the other day and they said no matter what the brand or Mileage warranty on the tire, expect to get half the mileage out of the tire. I had the Michelin X-Radial 80,000 mile tire and was at 2/32 in 40,000 miles. My 06 had\s a good alignment and I rotated tires every 5,000 miles. Also you will see extra wear on the outer edge of the front tires. Some people run higher air pressure and say that helps. I buy from Costco and they are spot on with pro-rating mileage for me.

 

I'm on my third set at 64K +. B'stones about 27K; GY Comfy Tread ( 1 set but 8 tires due to defects and punctures) about 30K before I got fed up with them. Good luck getting 80K wear out of these pigs... Pirelli P4s seem to be the best of the litter. About 7K on them and they are wearing well; no problems; quiet, ride best of all. Tire mileage is really dependent on your speed, braking, cornering and inflation. You need about 38F / 37R to get the best wear and ride.

Brakes???? 64K+ an still on the original pads. So its how you drive that makes the difference, perhaps!

 

Thanks for the input. Did front brakes at 40K and just replaced the rears, so the beast is hard on brakes too. I was surprised the rears needed to be replaced already- but the front pads didn't bother me since the van is heavy.

So I guess I just need to plan on buying tires every two years? My wife does impersonate an Andretti driver on occasion, I'm sure that doesn't help. BUt if I can get 70K out of the BF goodrich tires on my Titan (5700 lbs!), there should be something out there that will last on a Sienna.

 

We are on our third set of tires on our 2004, at 92,000 miles. The OEM tires did about 39,000 miles and we got about 45,000 out of our Yokohamas. The Yokohomas were pro-rated by Tire Rack (based upon photos) and we are now on a set Hankooks. We now religiously rotate the tires at every other oil change and it does seem to help. We also keep a close eye on the tire pressures. If it is any consolation, I "pushed" the rear tires on our BMW to 17,000 miles.....

Front brakes have been done twice, although the van has spent the last six years traveling at Autobahn speeds in Europe and it is a lot of mass to haul down from 90 MPHish. The rear brakes have been once.

 

Thanks for the input. Did front brakes at 40K and just replaced the rears, so the beast is hard on brakes too. I was surprised the rears needed to be replaced already- but the front pads didn't bother me since the van is heavy.

So I guess I just need to plan on buying tires every two years? My wife does impersonate an Andretti driver on occasion, I'm sure that doesn't help. BUt if I can get 70K out of the BF goodrich tires on my Titan (5700 lbs!), there should be something out there that will last on a Sienna.

Perhaps... replace the tires. Copy the invoice, circle the price in red..... duct tape to dash. Sometimes things have to 'relate'..... more money on tires... less for shoes.... (You do it! I'd not dare! But then the XYL is a gentle driver....)

 

I think the OP should get some tires with a treadwear warranty. Yes they are pro-rated, but if you're really getting 1/2 the life out of them, and taking the van in for regular rotations at the same shop, then a replacement set should cost you half, once the treadwear warranty is applied.

Keep your reciept and tire warranty information, as well as the ones from whenever the tires were rotated. And anything else the tire shop says you need to ba able to sucessfully claim your treadwear warranty.

 

same here...i am absolutely fastidious about tire rotation, alignment and tire pressure at 40psi. still eats tires like the beasts from district nine. same goes for brakes, as others have said.

 

same here...i am absolutely fastidious about tire rotation, alignment and tire pressure at 40psi. still eats tires like the beasts from district nine. same goes for brakes, as others have said.

At best you will get about 30K out of a set (+/-) regardless of brand. It's ridiculous to expect that a set of tires on a Sienna will get 50-80K miles. A pipe dream..... OTOH, even balancing and rotating tires on a Sienna may extend the life by maybe 5 or 10K. Warranty, or not, they just don't give fantastic wear. That being said, I'm looking at replacing the skins on my Camry Hybrid in 1012. At 30K miles they (B'stone Turanza EL-400?) have only about 6K (+/-) left in them. Not exceptional wear even on a light car that is not driven hard. I really don't think tire manufacturers design tires to make it to the wear out mileage.

 

What about going one size up? An SUV tire? Will that help? Or is it just the nature of the beast?

 

Our first set of Run Flats lasted 12K miles. We complained to Toyota and the replaced them for free. After going through a few sets of Run Flats we decided to get regular tires and we bought a doughnut online that we keep in the trunk. We have about 20K miles on the non run flats. They won't last forever but at least they are cheaper than the run flats and a better ride.

 

Yep. I have almost 40K on my 80K Michelin X-Radials and they need to be replaced. My Sienna eats tires worse than any car that I have ever owned.

 

I put Michelin Harmony tires on my '05 LE AWD 30,000 miles ago.
I have not measured the remaining tread, but they appear to be less than half-worn.

I travel a lot for work, carry a couple hundred pounds of stuff with me. I keep the tires at 40 psi and try to get them rotated every 10,000 miles or so.
I also tow a bit, usually between 1500 and 2500 pounds, using a light weight-distributing hitch.

As always ... "Your mileage may vary."

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I also installed Michelin Harmony Tires on our van 4 years ago. They were sold as an ideal tire made for minivan lifestyles! They were rated for 80k miles. The performance was great, but noisy. I wanted a quality tire that would support such a heavy vehicle and withstand 12 hour trips to the beach fully loaded. However, they only lasted about 45k miles!

Stu

 

After about 23K miles and 4 years, our '05 XLE (bought used in Feb, 2008 w/38.6K miles on the odo) w/Cooper CS-4's had about 25% tread left, but I just replaced all 4 tires as the fronts had trouble holding air (I was putting in 10-15 lbs of air a week to keep them pumped up). I replaced them with Continental ProContact EcoPlus 225/60-17, which so far at least, I very much like.

I have also noticed high brake wear up front. I just replaced the front pads and rotors - the pads had only 12K miles of pretty much all city driving, though the rotors were not new when I put the pads on 2 years ago, so I'm sure that contributed to the high wear rate. I'm guessing that the leaky front tires also contributed to higher pad wear up front. As far as I can tell, no one had replaced the rear pads and rotors till I replaced them at 60k miles.

 

Mine 2008 Sienna FWD LE 16,500mi 2/32 front & 3/32 rear Michelin Energy almost not pass the inspections Last Dec 2011. Looking forward for a better and cheaper tires....any idea?

 

jedk11, Where did you get your doughnut tire? Belle Tire here in Novi MI looked for a couple months before telling me there was no such animal and sold me a full size spare for my 05 AWD Sienna. It takes up a lot of space in the back. I will still never buy run flats again. Paul

 

I put Michelin Harmony tires on my '05 LE AWD 30,000 miles ago.
I have not measured the remaining tread, but they appear to be less than half-worn.

UPDATE: Just measured the tread, I have 8/32 (about 6.5mm) remaining on all four tires.

:8)

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Have any one try plus zero on 215/65R16? or use speed rating H instead of T?

because I have heard some people said that might help. Any idea?

 

Mine 2008 Sienna FWD LE 16,500mi 2/32 front & 3/32 rear Michelin Energy almost not pass the inspections Last Dec 2011. Looking forward for a better and cheaper tires....any idea?

Take it to an authorized Michelin dealer. They will give you a big discount on another set of Michelins.
I remember that I had done that and finally got my Hydroedge tires for $350 including taxes.
I took it to Discount Tire/America's Tire Co

 

Have any one try plus zero on 215/65R16?

I have no idea what that means. "Plus 1", "plus 2", and so on mean maintaining overall dimensions while going one (or two, etc) inches larger in wheel size. "Plus zero" would mean what... using the stock size (which is indeed 215/65R16 for the second generation 2WD CE and LE). If the van came with 225/60R17, then going to 215/65R16 would be "minus one". If you're thinking the taller sidewall will help, I see the logic, but I don't think we are finding that as owners.

...or use speed rating H instead of T?

because I have heard some people said that might help. Any idea?

I don't expect that a higher speed rating would help, unless the tires are running really hot in the sidewall... in which case I would ensure that the UTQG rating includes "A" for "temperature".

A more useful rating might be Extra Load ("XL" on the end of the designation, e.g. 215/65R16 XL), but even then that only addresses load capacity, not wear rate. I have used XL tires in winter, all-season, and now winter type again and I have not experienced particularly good wear.


The Sienna is just relatively heavy - and top-heavy, and front-heavy - for the stock second-generation tire size. Smaller SUVs routinely use much bigger tires (for appearance), lighter sport sedans use wider tires of similar diameter, and all of those vehicles tilt the average in the longer direction. I doubt that many Siennas reach the tire manufacturer's expected treadwear life, because that manufacturer is expecting that tire to have an easier life than it has on the Sienna.

 

I suppose I am lucky - I have 45,000 miles on OEM Bridgestones B380 (despite the rather dismal thread-wear rating of 240) and there is still some rubber left on them.

 

The OEM's were Bridgestones, then 2 sets of Goodyears which WalMart refused to sell me a wearout warrenty because the first set didn't make 20K miles, then a set of Pirelli's which got a little over 1/2 it ratings, & now have Michelins. I highly suggest paying the extra $$ for the wearout warrenty, this is the only vehicle that I've had tires warrenty claim on premature wearout. My local Discount Tire is excellent on their customer service on this issue. I have a 2004 with a 150K miles original owner, & other than tires, brakes. & oil changes, I've put less then 1K $ in repair cost over the life time of this van.

 

My 2 Yokohama Avid TRZ will need to be replaced soon, just over 52k miles.
I had up sized to 235/60/16, and run 40 psi all around, this is my work vehicle and it is heavily loaded.

2 of my tires are Michelin Hydroedge, they seem to be wearing well.

 

Re: My Sienna slowly Eats Tires??

My 2004 Sienna wore out the factory tires in 22,000 miles and dealer said "normal", offered a prorate on replacements!
Instead we bought expensive Michelins, those wore out in 47,000 miles. While they performed much better they lasted about 1/2 their advertised 80K thread wear life. At 69,000 miles (22 +47) we bought at Sam's Club a set of BFGoodrich Touring TA P22560R16 97T M&S tires rated Theadware 640 Traction A Temperature B. Those were advertised for 65K miles. Well, they've performed great and van has 127,000 miles and tires are still good, thread wear indicators not yet reached with 57K miles of service, last rotation we were told we should get another 15K to 20K miles. Same driving style, same tire rotation, pressure (35PSI) etc. but dramatically improved performance.
SO, it does matter what brand and quality of tires are used, and keeping them properly inflated and rotated.
We plan to replace these with same again!
Jay