thanks for the break down, did you get the 8 or 7 passenger version?

 

This is the All Wheel Drive, and the 7 passenger. "I think", if you get the AWD, then it has to be 7 passenger, of course, this can change any time. I like the 7 passenger. I really dont need seats for 8, and the 8th seat (between the center seats), is nice for it to be gone, because you can walk or store stuff between the center row seats.

Sienna's are rare, and I have only seen one other Sienna for sale. (It was a 2023 white Platinum). I think the XLE is the sweet spot, best value. It has the softex seats, and heated seats.
You can only get heated steering wheel in higher levels, tho. Im just not impressed with fancy wheels, or speakers. And, one person at the car wash said the "fold down" dvd player on her Platinum Sienna was awful. She said she could not get it to play anything, so she bought a portable dvd player. If Toyota does not fix this dvd player system, the they wont sell many Platinum's.
The XLE has power seats, includes power doors.
The downside to the Sienna is that the "foot activated" side and rear door never works for me. I wish I would not have bought it had I know its very glitchy. This said, no biggie.
Incidently, I saw a Utube race between 2016 Sienna V6 and a 2021 Sienna Hybrid. It was 1/4 mile. The 4 cylinder hybrid beat the V6 by 3 car lengths. To do this, you need it in SPORT mode, not ECO.
Further, a big complaint was you cant remove the second row seats. While that isnt even completely true, (You can remove the center seats, but need to unplug battery first so you dont discharge the airbags). And, when you re hook up the battery after removing the seats, you will likely get a light on your dash about the airbag. But, if you have to remove them, go ahead, even tho Toyota says not to do it. Im sure thats to cover their hiney, because if you dont unplug the battery you can discharge the airbags and this would cost you a bunch of money to fix.
I never had a problem with space even with the second row seats in. You push the seats way up, way back or even fold them toward front seats. For most purposes, this works well, as the center row seats slide probaby 24 inches, whch gives "living room" style room. Its very practical.
My complaints with the 2023 Sienna are: Infotainment. Finicky, like a cat. Works sometimes, sometimes not. Apple car play connects sometimes, even with a good cord connecting the phone to the car. Hands free door openers are also very, very finicky, even worse than the infotainment. I dont think I have been able to get my infotainment system to "call Rhonda" one time. I think Toyota has updated software, but they would rather we push buttons on our phone to make phone calls, wreck the car, and buy a new one.


The Pros are: Great gas mileage, lots of room, comfortable, mostly quiet (except when hard acceleration). Great sound. Looks great, runs great, VERY practical. Very flexible on the cargo/seat adjustments. Lots of storage and cupholders. Nice usable storage, such as sunglasses on a small shelf by driver. Several places to put your phone, too. Smooth. Well thought out interior, for example, a place to hang trash bag. The screen you pull up to keep the sun out of your eyes is great, too. Safety features work well: Adaptive cruse control, lane change Forward collision warning. It checks all my boxes!

 

This is the All Wheel Drive, and the 7 passenger. "I think", if you get the AWD, then it has to be 7 passenger, of course, this can change any time. I like the 7 passenger. I really dont need seats for 8, and the 8th seat (between the center seats), is nice for it to be gone, because you can walk or store stuff between the center row seats.

Sienna's are rare, and I have only seen one other Sienna for sale. (It was a 2023 white Platinum). I think the XLE is the sweet spot, best value. It has the softex seats, and heated seats.
You can only get heated steering wheel in higher levels, tho. Im just not impressed with fancy wheels, or speakers. And, one person at the car wash said the "fold down" dvd player on her Platinum Sienna was awful. She said she could not get it to play anything, so she bought a portable dvd player. If Toyota does not fix this dvd player system, the they wont sell many Platinum's.
The XLE has power seats, includes power doors.
The downside to the Sienna is that the "foot activated" side and rear door never works for me. I wish I would not have bought it had I know its very glitchy. This said, no biggie.
Incidently, I saw a Utube race between 2016 Sienna V6 and a 2021 Sienna Hybrid. It was 1/4 mile. The 4 cylinder hybrid beat the V6 by 3 car lengths. To do this, you need it in SPORT mode, not ECO.
Further, a big complaint was you cant remove the second row seats. While that isnt even completely true, (You can remove the center seats, but need to unplug battery first so you dont discharge the airbags). And, when you re hook up the battery after removing the seats, you will likely get a light on your dash about the airbag. But, if you have to remove them, go ahead, even tho Toyota says not to do it. Im sure thats to cover their hiney, because if you dont unplug the battery you can discharge the airbags and this would cost you a bunch of money to fix.
I never had a problem with space even with the second row seats in. You push the seats way up, way back or even fold them toward front seats. For most purposes, this works well, as the center row seats slide probaby 24 inches, whch gives "living room" style room. Its very practical.
My complaints with the 2023 Sienna are: Infotainment. Finicky, like a cat. Works sometimes, sometimes not. Apple car play connects sometimes, even with a good cord connecting the phone to the car. Hands free door openers are also very, very finicky, even worse than the infotainment. I dont think I have been able to get my infotainment system to "call Rhonda" one time. I think Toyota has updated software, but they would rather we push buttons on our phone to make phone calls, wreck the car, and buy a new one.


The Pros are: Great gas mileage, lots of room, comfortable, mostly quiet (except when hard acceleration). Great sound. Looks great, runs great, VERY practical. Very flexible on the cargo/seat adjustments. Lots of storage and cupholders. Nice usable storage, such as sunglasses on a small shelf by driver. Several places to put your phone, too. Smooth. Well thought out interior, for example, a place to hang trash bag. The screen you pull up to keep the sun out of your eyes is great, too. Safety features work well: Adaptive cruse control, lane change Forward collision warning. It checks all my boxes!

Nice review. Thanks!

 

okay great tip on the AWD = 7 passenger option. I'll have to keep an eye out for that!

 

Here is what I paid for my 2023 XLE AWD in southwest Florida:
Selling price:$45,184
Savings:-$500
Preferred accessory package:+$995
Inverter 1500w:+$810
total:$46,489
Sales tax(est):$2886
Tire/battery/MVWEA:$8.50
Electronic filing fee:$199
Dealers services fee$995
Reg/Tag/title fee:$450
Total(est):$ 51,027

 

This is the All Wheel Drive, and the 7 passenger. "I think", if you get the AWD, then it has to be 7 passenger, of course, this can change any time. I like the 7 passenger. I really dont need seats for 8, and the 8th seat (between the center seats), is nice for it to be gone, because you can walk or store stuff between the center row seats.

Sienna's are rare, and I have only seen one other Sienna for sale. (It was a 2023 white Platinum). I think the XLE is the sweet spot, best value. It has the softex seats, and heated seats.
You can only get heated steering wheel in higher levels, tho. Im just not impressed with fancy wheels, or speakers. And, one person at the car wash said the "fold down" dvd player on her Platinum Sienna was awful. She said she could not get it to play anything, so she bought a portable dvd player. If Toyota does not fix this dvd player system, the they wont sell many Platinum's.
The XLE has power seats, includes power doors.
The downside to the Sienna is that the "foot activated" side and rear door never works for me. I wish I would not have bought it had I know its very glitchy. This said, no biggie.
Incidently, I saw a Utube race between 2016 Sienna V6 and a 2021 Sienna Hybrid. It was 1/4 mile. The 4 cylinder hybrid beat the V6 by 3 car lengths. To do this, you need it in SPORT mode, not ECO.
Further, a big complaint was you cant remove the second row seats. While that isnt even completely true, (You can remove the center seats, but need to unplug battery first so you dont discharge the airbags). And, when you re hook up the battery after removing the seats, you will likely get a light on your dash about the airbag. But, if you have to remove them, go ahead, even tho Toyota says not to do it. Im sure thats to cover their hiney, because if you dont unplug the battery you can discharge the airbags and this would cost you a bunch of money to fix.
I never had a problem with space even with the second row seats in. You push the seats way up, way back or even fold them toward front seats. For most purposes, this works well, as the center row seats slide probaby 24 inches, whch gives "living room" style room. Its very practical.
My complaints with the 2023 Sienna are: Infotainment. Finicky, like a cat. Works sometimes, sometimes not. Apple car play connects sometimes, even with a good cord connecting the phone to the car. Hands free door openers are also very, very finicky, even worse than the infotainment. I dont think I have been able to get my infotainment system to "call Rhonda" one time. I think Toyota has updated software, but they would rather we push buttons on our phone to make phone calls, wreck the car, and buy a new one.


The Pros are: Great gas mileage, lots of room, comfortable, mostly quiet (except when hard acceleration). Great sound. Looks great, runs great, VERY practical. Very flexible on the cargo/seat adjustments. Lots of storage and cupholders. Nice usable storage, such as sunglasses on a small shelf by driver. Several places to put your phone, too. Smooth. Well thought out interior, for example, a place to hang trash bag. The screen you pull up to keep the sun out of your eyes is great, too. Safety features work well: Adaptive cruse control, lane change Forward collision warning. It checks all my boxes!

Autonation Toyota of Ft Myers(pm me for the salesperson name).
I tried to deal with Toyota of Naples but they wanted to add $5k up charge. They wanted me to buy extended warranty, tire/interior warranty protection, they also wanted me to accept financing with 9% and then refinance after a month for a lower 2.9%, crazy stuff!!!

Wow - Thank for the tip from Broward County - I may just head to Ft. Myers. Do you recommend a particular salesperson?

 

The Inverter is something I would love, but not all agree, of course. With non hybrids, to add a 1500 watt inverter is pricey as it often involves putting on an extra capacity alternator, and maybe battery, too. Since the Sienna, according to "the car guy", does not have an alternator, I guess it wont need an upgrade to put on an inverter.
May I inquire as to what is the sienna "preferred Accessory package"? I also have no idea what "tire/battery/MVWEA" means, but it sounds like its only $8.50.

My sales tax was only about $750, because I traded in a 2022 Honda Crv hybrid on the sienna. In my state, you pay sales tax "only on the difference" between new car and trade in. That saved about $3000 in sales tax.
The HUGE amount of sales tax on a new Sienna made me consider carefully a lease. With a lease, in my state, you pay sales tax "not on the vehicle price" but only on the depreciation. In other words, you pay sales tax "on the part of the vehicle you use up" each month.
Of course, the lease factors in depreciation, but, depending on when you resell the Sienna, you may not have a lot of depreciation if you only keep it a couple years or so, as they hold resale value amazingly well.

 

The Inverter is something I would love, but not all agree, of course. With non hybrids, to add a 1500 watt inverter is pricey as it often involves putting on an extra capacity alternator, and maybe battery, too. Since the Sienna, according to "the car guy", does not have an alternator, I guess it wont need an upgrade to put on an inverter.
May I inquire as to what is the sienna "preferred Accessory package"? I also have no idea what "tire/battery/MVWEA" means, but it sounds like its only $8.50.

My sales tax was only about $750, because I traded in a 2022 Honda Crv hybrid on the sienna. In my state, you pay sales tax "only on the difference" between new car and trade in. That saved about $3000 in sales tax.

Yeah - my regret is not getting the inverter. So yes - our Sienna does not have a dedicated "alternator". We also do not have a starter. In fact, this van does not have any accessory belt. The Inverter (1500 watt) sources power directly from the HV battery (300+ volts). Its very unique - nobody else has this. In fact, the Blue Angels (Navy Jets) uses new Siennas as their spotter vehicles because of this inverter - no need to carry/rely on portable generators to power their communications equipment.

Anyway - congrats on your purchase. If you dont mind - how much did they pay for your 2022 CRV ?

 

I assume it’s the dealer add ones:
preferred Accessory package:
Toyota all weather mats, window tint, seats and floor “guard treatment”
I forgot to mention that I order the car in July and arrived now. Also in my initial order I asked for spare tire and the second row tv which I didn’t get cause the chip shortage(for the tv)
The dealer offered to install an audiovox dvd player for $1200 and the spare tire install kit it will be a $2300. I pass on both of them

 

Have a deposit down for 2023 25th anniversary edition AWD arriving next week:

$49,070 msrp
$5,000 markup
$3,738 taxes and fees
$57,808 total

can’t tell if I’m crazy or really lucky.

 

Just picked up 2023 25th anniversary edition AWD last week in Greater Philadelphia area: ~$51,000 at MSRP + Taxes & Fees. Included entertainment package, a few smaller things, and spare tire.

 

Just picked up 2023 25th anniversary edition AWD last week in Greater Philadelphia area: ~$51,500 at MSRP + Taxes & Fees.

were you on a waiting list or buy it off the lot?

 

Which dealer in SW Florida?

 

Autonation Toyota of Ft Myers(pm me for the salesperson name).
I tried to deal with Toyota of Naples but they wanted to add $5k up charge. They wanted me to buy extended warranty, tire/interior warranty protection, they also wanted me to accept financing with 9% and then refinance after a month for a lower 2.9%, crazy stuff!!!

 

I bought the 2022 CRV hybrid EXL model, for MSRP. If I recall it was 35,500 plus some fees and taxes. I cant recall if that included the floor mats which were a couple hundred or not. In 2023, apparently there is no CRV EXL model..just the touring and sport. Of course, the touring costs more. I traded the CRV EXL hybrid on the 2023 Sienna.

 

In my area, if you want a NEW Sienna, you will likely have to wait for a dealer allocation. And then, you may be called by your sales person something like this:
"We have a 2023 Sienna XLE coming in our allocation, coming in a couple months. Its red, XLE, has the floor mats and its, $xx,xxx. Do you want it?
If you want a different color, different equipment, you will likely wait longer. I wanted the red one, even tho red is an extra 425, if I recall. I also wanted the XLE. I thought the XLE was the "sweet spot"..a nicely equipped faux leather (Toyota calls it softex), with heated seats. Yea, the limited and Platinum have more, but also cost a lot more. The LE has cloth seats and I wanted this upgrade. (around 3k-4k upgrade) . Yes, I would love the inverter, but the XLE has most stuff I want. I dont need bigger tires, cooler wheels, navigation, and can live without a wireless phone charger built in. 50,000 + in a van is "above my pay grade".

 

According to Toyota's website, the inverter is optional on the Anniversary Edition.

 

My out-the-door cost for a 2021 Ruby Red Pearl Sienna XSE with AWD was about $53,000 (including taxes/fees, license in CA) in September of 2021. I was required to buy several dealer-installed options: tow hitch, dash cash, protective film, roof rails, and a couple of other things that I don't recall at the moment. The dealer I purchased from made the the options required purchases, but were not charging "market adjustments" like other dealers I was talking with at the time.

Honestly, I never imagined paying $50K for a minivan, but my family and I really like it, and my late-model Honda was on the fritz, so I needed a new car.

 

Living expenses in Southern California are through the roof. A roof over your head is expensive.

Good thing I’ll also have a Sun/moonroof (25AE) over my head too, that’s going to cost me $61k and change.

 

holy shizzle!! I’m feel blessed I paid MSRP for my 25th AE.

 

have 2023 toyota sienna XLE black 1967 miles fore sale 48.500.00 finance with toyota so you could

 

The inverter option is not available aftermarket too. I feel this is good option if anyone is getting.

 

This guy explains how to install the inverter in a 2021 Sienna hybrid.

One guy says dont ask Toyota to do it, they will look at you like you are crazy. They explained the hybrid battery is a great battery and "only runs" when the hybrid battery discharges, so its way more efficient than a generator.
Im thinking of doing this for emergency power.

 

This guy explains how to install the inverter in a 2021 Sienna hybrid.

Just a note in case you have not realized it: the inverter in the video is a 12 volt one. The OEM inverter feeds from the 300 volt traction battery.

 

Thanks but its risky deal as toyota will decline the hybrid warranty

 

not sure if you got one already, but why not just get a portable power station like this with 1400AC inverter and can take around wherever you go: LINK!!!

 

But of course, they want you to buy a new Toyota Sienna with THEIR inverter installed. After viewing the video, if you install it like he says, especially including the circuit breaker, it should not damage the hybrid battery. Remember, the hybrid battery can easily be damaged by other things, especially getting water on the hybrid battery, or not cleaning the airfilter on the hybrid battery. And, not every Toyota mechanic is always trained in hybrids, tho that could change.
I would not use "cheap" parts, but only quality circuit breakers and quality inverter.

 

Im not an Electrical Engineer, but perhaps someone else knows, but I suspect the 12v and 300 volt are connected via computer, and the computer charges the 12 volt or 300 volt when certain levels of discharge are met. This is above my pay grade.
While I have gotten good service at my Toyota dealership, its been explained may of these people who do routine stuff on your car are not certified techs anyway. The "car care guy" explains that this "inspection" is rarely done, or, gets, at best, a "once over", and is not a thorough multip point inspection, when it comes with a 60 dollar oil change package.
Yes, when you have your Toyota "exclusively serviced" at Toyota, it does remove some risk.
According to this poster, your warranty can not be voided by the manufacturer, "just because" you took your car to an independent mechanic, or did work yourself:

In the United States, no. There is a law called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which essentially says a manufacturer cannot void your warranty if you take your car to an independent mechanic or even work on it yourself, using non-factory parts. There are definitely conditions, especially concerning the quality of the parts and the labor, but in general, you can do your own oil changes without fear of voiding the warranty.

 

Im not an Electrical Engineer, but perhaps someone else knows, but I suspect the 12v and 300 volt are connected via computer, and the computer charges the 12 volt or 300 volt when certain levels of discharge are met. This is above my pay grade.

The 12v battery is a lead-acid. I believe the rated capacity is 100Ah. Lead-acid batteries cannot be discharged below 50% of their rated capacity at risk of damage. That means effective 50Ah usable capacity when new and fully charged. That is approximately 600Wh, or 24 minutes at 1500W. Not a whole lot. To be useful, the battery needs to be charged while the aftermarket inverter is being used. Considering that the battery is just to power up the computers and not to start the engine, it is also possible that it is designed with a lower charge/discharge rates than the required 125A to power up the inverter (that is also before counting the conversion loses, so the actual consumption may be close to 150A). Also, a 100A fuse is not sufficient. And I would connect the negative to the battery and not to the chassis. For me, these are too many potential problems. The OEM inverter is a much better, safer, and reliable option.

If I got the capacity wrong, you can easily adjust the calculations.

If my car didn't have a OEM inverter, I'd get a power bank (solar generator) and charge it while driving.

 

Im sure car companies like it when you think your car "must be taken" to the dealership for service, but thousands of independent shops would dispute this. Its more important "the job be done right", rather than who does it.

I think that applies to your home, also. While Im not a legal expert, Im pretty sure the Supreme court says that homeowners can not be prevented from doing their own work on their own home. If your electric fails, or if your plumbing faiis, the law does not require you to be a licensed plumber or electrician to repair it.

My father completely built our home, and, my son is currently building his home, including wiring and plumbing. Its in an area where building permits are not required, but, even if they are you can hire a licensed person to sign that your wiring/plumbing meets code, but your building inspector may not require that.

 

My Christmas miracle (?)

Model: 2023 Sienna XLE AWD, Windchill Pearl
MSRP: $42695 + addons (Special color $425, Roof rails $150, Quick charge cables $70, Sill Protectors $40, All weather floor liner $260, Cross bars $210)
Delivery: $1335
Selling price:$45,185 (no market adjustment)
Doc Fee: $549
Sales tax(est):$2858.38
Reg/title/inspection fee:$170
OTD: $48762.38
Financing: 3.25% promo through local credit union (not dealer)

I hopped on an MSRP dealer's waitlist early October but persisted in calling most dealers in MA/NH not located in/near Boston. The dealer with our deposit increased their expected wait time from 2-4 months to 9-12 months which had me hitting the phone more with our third arriving early Feb, I wasn't picky w.r.t color and understood addons were likely "is what it is" if I wanted one sooner (didn't want premium color or overpriced charger). Surprisingly came across a dealer recently dropping their market adjustment and having 2 Limiteds and 1 Platinum inbound, not spoken for. While nice, really didn't want to spend the extra for the Limited but literally moments before reaching out to set a time to talk price with them on one they called saying they had an XLE on the lot which became available, secured it next day (I was buying it either way but kicked myself for not at least trying to negotiate off the color/charger costs, I also tell myself it had low probability of success). What started out as a frustrating conversation with finance leading out with 9% (excellent credit) and barely budging led me to a deeper dive into rates and getting the 3.25% for 48mo, which provided a great savings over what I expected would likely be a 4.X% 60mo. Still not sure if the quoted wait times are very inflated (on trend) with people like me on multiple lists, folks backing out due to economic headwinds, etc. or if I just caught a nice break on timing.

Edit: They came in low on my trade-in as well so I now have a 2012 Rav 4 with 127k mi in great condition for sale

 

Which dealer dropping their MSRP? is waitlist getting shorter with current economy situation?

 

They went from starting at over MSPR to starting at MSRP, not sure when that happened. On average I heard 9-12mo wait but I'm sure that differs across trim and is buyer flexibility dependent.

 

Been on the wait list for 10 months (picky about color and options), but finally picking up today. 8 passenger XLE with plus and inverter package (and a few other port installed items I wish weren't required...). Paid sticker price of $45,014 + required $2,200 dealer markup for Resistall plus paint/interior protection (but we know that's just their form of a market adjustment). Financing about half with a 72 month 5% APR term through Toyota.

Curious what others are seeing as far as interest rates since they've gone up quickly over the past couple months... to keep it apples to apples, be sure to reference finance date and length terms since those can vary widely.