[ems657]

Hello folks,

Happy Thanksgiving to you all Please help me with your advice:

Short story - If any of you switched to more aggressive (aftermarket) brake pads on any Toyota Hybrid vehicles, do you notice a difference in braking power?

Long story - On my previous 2012 Odyssey, I had luck with EBC Yellow Stuff brake pads (better initial bite & overall braking power). I want to swap the EBC pads on the 2022 Sienna, but the re-generative braking complicates things (found a thread here). My question is, in the real world, how much improvement/braking power do more aggressive pads provide?

Thank you so much,
Michael

 

[Vanfam12345]

Regen braking has nothing to do with friction braking from the pads, but I may not be understanding what you’re asking

 

[soxster]

If you are leaning hard on friction brake stopping why have a hybrid?

 

[elementZ]

I'd start with a better set of tires before changing the pads

 

[fotomoto]

Don't want to sound like a debbie downer but in most hybrid worlds, folks aren't modding the brake systems. In fact ,it's the opposite as they expect not to mess with them for at least 100k miles.

 

[jareza]

Regen braking is done by MG2 on hybrids...... its an artificial braking...... if enough pressure is applied to the brake pedal, then your traditional brakes work in tandem with MG2.
yes, brakes on hybrids last twice even trice as much compared to their non hybrids counterparts.

 

[County]

I too own a 2012 Odyssey that I had to install the modified rotors when the pads were at half life. The next set lasted 150 000 km. The problem was after 80 k I had to disassemble the pads and rotors to service to get the next 75 k out of them. I realized that it would have been cheaper to install new pads and rotors than do all the extra labour servicing the old ones. I replaced them with a rock auto daily driver kit that was value priced. They have 50 000 km on this set.
My 2022 LE I hope to get well over 160 000 km on the original set based on what others have reported and I have had no issues when I have stepped hard on the stop pedal. My recommendation would be to use the current brakes up and monitor before deciding if improvements are needed. Just my 2 cents.

 

[bluetroll]

if you're looking for added safety, you're best bet if to get some better tires and pads.

 

[ems657]

Thank you all for the great feedback & sharing ! My end goal is to improve the initial bite and overall braking power. Yes, I am getting the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season soon (AA traction rating vs. B from factory tires).

As for this post, sorry my question wasn't very clear. Question: How much (or when) does Sienna use friction vs. re-generative braking? More aggressive pads will improve the former (not the latter).

Actually, I just bought the pads and will share my experience once installed. I hope my (future) review can help more folks

Michael

 

[wscan]

Thank you all for the great feedback & sharing ! My end goal is to improve the initial bite and overall braking power. Yes, I am getting the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season soon (AA traction rating vs. B from factory tires).

As for this post, sorry my question wasn't very clear. Question: How much (or when) does Sienna use friction vs. re-generative braking? More aggressive pads will improve the former (not the latter).

Actually, I just bought the pads and will share my experience once installed. I hope my (future) review can help more folks

Michael

The Sienna uses mostly regenerative braking when you keep the ECO gauge in the blue regen area. When you get close to the minimum reading on the gauge, the car starts using a combination of regen and friction braking. If you hit the brakes hard, it will use mostly friction braking. When the speed is 17 mph and below, friction braking is added in because regen braking is less effective at slower speeds. The exact process of transfer between regen and friction braking is baked into the computer firmware.

 

[Broncofan]

Many/most minvan drivers avoid having to "brake hard". They do this by anticipating braking ahead, and, frankly by driving slow and generally "smooth". Drive like the president is in your car. After all your kids may be president someday. Many of these insurance companies which have the device to check your driving for a discount, suggest not doing "hard braking" whenever possible. No jack rabbit starts and stops. Of course, even with great driving emergency braking has to be done. Sienna drivers are looking for fuel economy, and drive conservatively. I love the regen braking but do get there is a tradeoff for stopping distance.

 

[DKH]

I'd avoid getting too aggressive of pads. Almost all of my braking is regenerative braking, meaning my brakes are almost always cold.
The sportier the pads, the more heat you need in them for that bite you're looking for. Then there's the noise and dust.