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Swollen lug nuts

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I have a 2012 Sienna XLE. I tried to my wheel using the lug wrench that comes with the car. I was not able to unscrew the lug nuts. I tried on all lug nuts and come to find out that the lug wrench is too small. So I thought they gave me a wrong lug wrench. I called toyota and they suggested me to go to the dealership. So I went, the service agent and his manager told me that I have the case of swollen lug nuts. ALL (20) lug nuts on my car are swollen due to the weather temperature. Has anybody experience this? I still can't believe this, because I live in the Carolinas where temperatures are not extreme that can cause the lug nuts to be swollen.

I just want to warn all toyota owners to check their lug wrench/lug nuts. I think this is important for all car owners before they actually need to use the lug wrench.

I called toyota again, because I think this should be part of safety check during service or a safety recall. let me know what you think.
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This is a very common problem on vehicles which have two part lug nut, the core and the chrome cover. There is even a classaction against Ford.

Sorry to hear that you found out the hard way. This issue is not uncommon and can be very disconcerting if you have never heard of it. To be caught in a situation where you are unable to swap a wheel due to this issue can be frustratingly painful.
You can use a one size bigger socket to get them off. There is no workaround other than to replace them and/or switch to the ones without the outer chrome cover.

Maybe if we all make enough noise, Toyota may relent and issue another recall and extend the warranty. Tis the season for the warranty letters for the Sienna as I have received two letters other than recall notices in the past two months

You can get the replacement lug nuts at Rockauto for $1.18 a piece, min 10 https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/toyota,2011,sienna,3.5l+v6,1446193,wheel,lug+nut,7676
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You can get the replacement lug nuts at Rockauto for $1.18 a piece, min 10 https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/toyota,2011,sienna,3.5l+v6,1446193,wheel,lug+nut,7676
I've always been happy with my purchases from Rockauto. Good to know they have replacement lug nuts for a reasonable price.
Ok, so I have the same issue with more than half of the rear lug nuts. The front ones are fine. While removing them today, the first one got wedged in the 21mm socket. Somehow got it out and then used a 22mm socket and (23mm on two) to get them out. As the OP had posted, I tried using the included lug wrench and it was a no-go too. It wouldn't fit any of those bolts which would be a huge issue in case I needed to swap a flat.

The Van has been in S. Florida always garaged and not exposed to any snow/salt or other weather extremes which typically cause this issue. I already have my eyes on replacements from RockAuto but will also consider any recommendations for decent after market options
I had that swollen issue one time, but the doc gave me antibiotic and it was fine.
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I had that swollen issue one time, but the doc gave me antibiotic and it was fine.
Oh, a wiseguy!!!

Swollen lug nuts? Huh?
What are they swollen from? Temperature? Corrosion?
If it's temperature, why doesn't the lug wrench swell at least as much?
Swollen lug nuts? Huh?
What are they swollen from? Temperature? Corrosion?
If it's temperature, why doesn't the lug wrench swell at least as much?
If the lug wrench swells, wouldn't it be even more difficult to fit? Plus the composition of the metals are probably different.
Take one off and look inside! There is a base metal interior, and a thick chrome plated steel wrapper. I suspect that moisture gets between, corrodes (swells) the base metal and stretches the wrapper until the whole thing is too big for a 21mm wrench. I guess a short term solution is to buy a 22mm deep socket wrench to go along with the Gorilla style telescoping lug wrench you should be carrying anyhow to replace the silly little stubby that comes with the van.

The real thing: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gorilla-...0933&wl11=online&wl12=159201209&wl13=&veh=sem

The perfectly acceptable knock off that I have multiple of: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Torin-Black-Jack-T36234W-Extendable-Lug-Wrench/14560053
If the lug wrench swells, wouldn't it be even more difficult to fit? Plus the composition of the metals are probably different.
If you have a male and female part that you need to fit together (press in a bearing, etc) you typically heat the female and chill the male. The ID of the female part grows with heat, as would our lug wrench.
Take one off and look inside! There is a base metal interior, and a thick chrome plated steel wrapper. I suspect that moisture gets between, corrodes (swells) the base metal and stretches the wrapper until the whole thing is too big for a 21mm wrench. I guess a short term solution is to buy a 22mm deep socket wrench to go along with the Gorilla style telescoping lug wrench you should be carrying anyhow to replace the silly little stubby that comes with the van.

The real thing: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gorilla-...0933&wl11=online&wl12=159201209&wl13=&veh=sem

The perfectly acceptable knock off that I have multiple of: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Torin-Black-Jack-T36234W-Extendable-Lug-Wrench/14560053
My factory lugs just happen to be off, as the van is running on lug-centric winter wheels which required more conventional lugs. Looking at the Toyota lugs I can see the chrome wrap issue.
You are probably right in that corrosion between the core and the chrome wrapping might be the villain. Thankfully mine appear to have avoided the issue, as they easily fit within a 21mm socket.
I have the same problem on my 2011 Sienna. They are a 2-piece part, so any moisture and debris that gets between the 2 parts can cause trouble. The dealer wanted $231 to replace the 20 "swollen" lug nuts. They said there would be no labor charge since they had them off already because they were rotating my tires. What a joke. In this google-search era do they not think I will look up the price? I ordered them from Autozone for a total of $70 for the 20. Some sites had them even cheaper, but since I was familiar with Autozone and they were the same OEM brand, I went with that. My van has 100,000 miles, so even though these will probably eventually have the same problem, It seemed like a small investment for another 100K miles. I will be sure to have a 22mm and 23mm socket on hand before replacing them.
This is a very common problem on vehicles which have two part lug nut, the core and the chrome cover. There is even a classaction against Ford.


You can get the replacement lug nuts at Rockauto for $1.18 a piece, min 10 https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/toyota,2011,sienna,3.5l+v6,1446193,wheel,lug+nut,7676
Will these lug nuts have the same problem as the OEM ones, with swelling etc.? Put another way, what is the difference, if any, between the OEM nuts and these?
With a title like that, how could I not click and read! I have learned something today. I certainly feel for those afflicted with this condition. ?
Just adding my 2 cents. My sister has a 2011 Sienna with a 128k miles. She just had a recall done at a Toyota dealership and they advised her that the front brakes pads were at 1mm! She declined repair and asked me to confirm that the pads were needing replacement. I tried to use the factory lug wrench (21mm) to remove the front wheels. The lug wrench didn't fit the lugs!!! WTHeck?? Fortunately I had a 22mm impact socket with a 1/2 breaker bar and was able to remove the lug nuts. Long story short....the Sienna had "swollen lug nuts". After replacing the pads on all four wheels, I did some research and discovered that this is a major problem for other makes as well. I can only imaging having a flat tire, pulling out the factory lug wrench, only to discover it no longer fits!!!! Wow!! My solution was to purchase a set of 20 aftermarket, one piece design, chrome lug nuts for $20 on eBay. Same style of lug nut just one piece, not a steel inner lug nut with a capped finish alloy and now the factory lug wrench will work if needed. If you have a capped lug nut, you better check that the lug wrench will fit.
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It looks like I've joined the Sienna Swollen Nuts Club after only 5 1/2 years. When I installed the winter wheels/tires on our vehicles yesterday, it was difficult to get my socket wrench on several of the lug nuts on our 2014 Sienna. When one of the lug nuts on the left front wheel wouldn't budge, I used my gorilla gauge breaker bar and promptly broke off the stud. I know that the lug nuts were not over tightened since I checked the torque after the last tire rotation 5,000 miles ago and when one tire was replaced under road hazard warranty in July.

I've used the same lug nuts on both the summer and winter wheels over the nearly 90,000 miles on the Sienna.

All the Sienna lug nuts look in pretty bad shape with corrosion so I'll be trekking to a Toyota dealer this morning with a Costco Auto Program discount coupon to buy 20 replacements.

The original lug nuts on our 2012 Prius v still look like new but I use different lug nuts on its steel winter wheels and the car is at only 43,xxx miles.

I'd visually compare the OEM Prius lug nuts with the OEM Sienna lug nuts but the Prius lug nuts are now in a storage compartment on the rolling tire dolly under the stack of eight summer wheels and I'm in no mood to remove the wheels from the dolly in order to compare them.

I'll compare the Prius and Sienna lug nuts at the Toyota dealership with my measuring calipers. The parts number cross reference seems to show that the Prius lug nuts have been used only on vehicles assembled in Japan. The parts number cross reference appears to show that the Sienna lug nuts have been used only on vehicles assembled in North America.

My guess is that a different lug nut supplier is responsible for the crappy Sienna lug nuts so I will see if the lug nuts for the Japan assembled vehicles can be used as a substitute. I thought about buying replacement lug nuts on Amazon but so many of them get bad reviews.

This is the earliest I've ever installed winter tires. Precipitation with temperatures as low as 20 degrees Fahrenheit are forecast for the next few days which is unusual for this time of year here.

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OK, so the Toyota parts department employee I spoke with today was very familiar with the swelling and corrosion issues of the lug nuts used on Toyotas assembled in North America including those on the gen 3 Sienna - part number 90084-94001 - and he launched into a surprisingly detailed technical explanation of why they deteriorate.

When I told him that I wanted to instead buy the lug nuts that are installed on Toyota vehicles assembled in Japan - part number 90942-01033 - he told me that doing that was a known solution for the problem.

It was clear that he would have sold me the crap OEM Sienna lug nuts if I had asked for them but that he was more than willing to sell me the lug nuts for Toyotas assembled in Japan if I asked for them. He guaranteed that the ones for the Japan assembled vehicles would fit my U.S. built Sienna but I still measured them to verify.

The lug nuts for the Japan assembled Toyotas are slightly different in that the tapered portion is a slightly longer.

I can't guarantee that the lug nuts for Toyotas assembled in Japan won't have any problems but none of the lug nuts we've had on Toyotas assembled in Japan have swelled or corroded and we've kept three of those vehicles for 14 years.

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Wow, that's awesome. My lugs are pretty awful and I was thinking about buying replacements for my upcoming tire rotation. I'll be sure to get the JP version instead this time. I just did a brake job for my in-laws' 2003 Lexus - the lugs were in great shape and I was wondering what the difference was.
Nice find, Geezer!

Last year I bought 4 of the "US" lug nuts so that I could ditch the 'locking' nuts that came on the van, and they cost me around $4.25 each. Googling the "Japan" part number, I see that several on-line dealers sell them for under $3 each. So potentially better quality, and cheaper? Such a deal!!
Nice find, Geezer!

Last year I bought 4 of the "US" lug nuts so that I could ditch the 'locking' nuts that came on the van, and they cost me around $4.25 each. Googling the "Japan" part number, I see that several on-line dealers sell them for under $3 each. So potentially better quality, and cheaper? Such a deal!!
The retail price for both the "Japan" and "US" lug nuts is currently $3.78 according to a Toyota dealership parts counter employee. The 15% Costco Auto Program discount coupon bought the price down to $3.30. I spent about 15 minutes this morning replacing 19 "US" lug nuts with "Japan" lug nuts. I have an appointment with the nearest Toyota dealership on Friday to do the 90,000 mile service, replace the transmission fluid for the first time and to replace the broken wheel stud.
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