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I didn't think there was, but I stopped by our local dealership (where both my Sienna and earlier Prius came from) and spotted a couple of 'Enners, sitting in the middle of the lot, with window stickers attached, and no customers or employees busying themselves around the vans. That said it was 7AM .....

The inventory says 7 units (sale pending on all), and the dealer markup ("adjustment") is $2K on each. These two were LE FWD, which is the cheapest, and about $45K OTD.

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With big markups and long waiting lists you can bet they're sold and just haven't been picked up yet.
Most likely, but they are advertised on the web page and displayed on the lot anyway. I am assuming that some folks order a few vans from different dealerships, and/or change their minds, which will result in a certain number of rejected deliveries. Also I noticed both physically present vans were LE FWD, whereas people are usually trying to hunt down higher specs.
 

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A FWD LE is my first choice by far. AWD is unnecessary in SC and the LE has fewer gizmo's to go wrong.
In Canada we got FWD as well.

Good winter tires don't necessitate AWD and actually the OEM all seasons [Falkens] did better in city and on PA, WV, VA [that big I95 storm] highways then Suabaru AWD with OEM all seasons [crappy Bridgetsone].
 

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A FWD LE is my first choice by far. AWD is unnecessary in SC and the LE has fewer gizmo's to go wrong.
I tend to agree about the gizmos, especially these days when even reputable car makers can't get their QC together, although I do miss one creature comfort gizmo in the LE Plus: the heated front seats :)

Regarding AWD .... I have had my most embarrassing and time-consuming "getting stuck" adventures on wet grass, loose gravel, and shallow mud, which are not really climate-or geography-specific. Also I believe AWD is good to have when driving in heavy rain. So, it's AWD for me, if I can help it.
 
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I too just wanted the basic model LE like Dimitrij. But i didnt like the fabric interior. So we ended up with the XLE which at that time was just 4k dollars more. I wish mine had the 1500 watt inverter ( I realize this after owning it for 3 months ).
 

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I too just wanted the basic model LE like Dimitrij. But i didnt like the fabric interior. So we ended up with the XLE which at that time was just 4k dollars more. I wish mine had the 1500 watt inverter ( I realize this after owning it for 3 months ).
Our price differential for LE FWD vs XLE FWD was like 3k more and still decided to go with LE.

Mind you our priorities was no softex seats and no sun roof so worked out. That left very little extras on the XLE and none were deal breakers for us.
 

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They could very well be spoken for. Or not. Crazier things have happened. They do have to go somewhere once the dealer takes possession.
Did you try edmunds.com? They list new 2022 8 passenger Hybrid Siennas for sale in Stockton, CA.
I saw a in silver, white, blue. and black for around $40k. Might be worth a look.
My researched showed the best years to buy were from 2014 to 2017 (less problems reported) with 1 important recall which was fixed; gas line too close to rear axle. I now own a beautiful white / grey Certified (1 year bumper-to-bumper) LP with a 7-yr warranty and am very pleased and am in process of selling my Solara. Total about $40k with warranty. Don’t forget to check the CarFax report. Hope you find your steed.
 

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Our price differential for LE FWD vs XLE FWD was like 3k more and still decided to go with LE.

Mind you our priorities was no softex seats and no sun roof so worked out. That left very little extras on the XLE and none were deal breakers for us.
yeah back in sept 2021,when we placed an order for sienna there were already chip shortages and almost no new toyotas on the dealer lot. I was surprised the gap between sienna trims were $5k between LE, XLE, XSE, limited, platinum. But we were serious about getting one so whatever showed up first that was not white and leather would be it. Lucky a xle showed up as available 2 months later (allocation).
 

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You know it's crazy. Back in October 2021 a 2022 Sienna XLE FWD 8 passenger fell into my lap and I didn't even really want it. I'm an Uber driver and was aware of the new hybrid Sienna and it's wonderous MPG. I'd even test driven a 2021 XLE FWD 7 seater with a spare tire (Should've bought it then and there), but I had driven 2 Volvo XC90s at different local dealers and had such horrible sales experiences that I didn't buy either out of sheer spite, though I genuinely loved the vehicle. I was at this particular dealership to test drive a 2019 Subaru Ascent Limited with 40k miles. It didn't start. While the salesman rushed to grab a jump box, the friend I'd brought along told me the whole front clip had been painted. He's a painter at a semi truck dealership's body shop, so I figured he knew what he was talking about. They wanted $39k for the Ascent, which wasn't that bad I guess, but I decided to peruse the used lot on the Toyota side of the same massive dealership that sells 9 brands. For only 3 grand more, they had a gray LE FWD on the lot. Poverty spec. Didn't even have lumbar support. I'm sorry but this Uber driver NEEDS back support on 10+ hour stints at the wheel. The cloth seats were a problem too. If you've ever ridden in an Uber with cloth seats, I bet you wish you could forget that smell. If you can think of it, it gets spilled in an Uber. Food, water, soft drinks, alcohol, bodily fluids, and anything else you'd rather not think about having sat in. Some form of impervious seating materiel is an absolute must. A sunroof would be nice too. My salesman went inside to talk to the sales manager while I perused the used car lot. After about 5 minutes, he returned with a piece of paper in his hand and a spiel: "So new Siennas are in high demand and we would have to order you one to get you exactly what you want. Lead time is 6 to 8 months. BUT this will be here in 4 days and it's not spoken for" and handed me a build sheet. 2022 Sienna. XLE. Windchill pearl. Tri fold cargo liner. All weather mats. Front wheel drive. 8 passenger. No spare tire. Body side moldings and roof rack cross bars. MSRP $42k and some change. "Market adjusted price" $45,234. I talked them down skillfully but carefully to $44,000 even, and at the time I thought I was really getting taken. I put $5,000 down on a vehicle I hadn't even seen and got financing approved. It arrived one day late and the following Saturday I went out to claim my prize. I really wanted blue or green, but damn that white is gorgeous. I did really want a 7 seater and a spare tire though. Uber doesn't give you one cent more for having 8 seats vs 7, and the center pedestal left after removing the seat frustrates ingress and egress to the 3rd row, not to mention the infernal seat belt alarms when someone in the right center tries to buckle into the 8th seat's belt.

Tomorrow I go in for the 30k mile service. I'll pay for the oil change and tire rotation but I'm not giving them $150 extra for two filters that don't even require tools to replace yourself.

My ownership experience for those of you not-so-patiently waiting: Fuel economy is better than advertised. I tend to beat the EPA in every vehicle I drive, and this is no exception. Using special techniques, I almost always squeeze 700+ miles out of a tank @ 40+ MPG. The turn circle is unrivaled. The AC will freeze you out, but unfortunately so will the heat. Seriously the heat sucks in this car. Driving on the highway when the engine is almost always on? Not a problem at all; but in town when the engine is off at lights, the coolant temp bleeds off within one light cycle and leaves you chilly. You turn up the temperature but the car has to run it's engine more to keep the coolant temp up and that kills your MPG. I'm glad I live in the southeast. I would NOT want to drive this car in Milwaukee. Another true disappointment is the build quality. Everything is presented so nicely but everything you touch and everywhere you touch it this car feels cheap. From the huge panel gaps on top of the dash to the way-to-easy-to-flex center console. Gearshift is hilariously wobbly in park. The car has also suffered for several deep scratches in the interior plastic just from normal use. Not to mention the rubber inserts in the seat tracks are already tearing on both sides. This is what I expect from Nissan, Chevy, or Dodge; not Toyota. The engine is LOUD under load. Once you're up to speed and on cruise control it's not that bad but getting there is as loud as a 90s Honda with no muffler. I do love that all four windows are auto down AND up, and that I can still control them with the lockout switch on. The car is slow, but it isn't THAT slow. You do have to plan ahead for short on ramps but it's otherwise fine.

Would I buy another one? Absolutely. Show me another car that hauls 7 people and their bags to the airport in comfort and gets 40+ MPG while doing it. I'll wait. I can live with this car's obvious flaws and shortcomings.
 

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You know it's crazy. Back in October 2021 a 2022 Sienna XLE FWD 8 passenger fell into my lap and I didn't even really want it. I'm an Uber driver and was aware of the new hybrid Sienna and it's wonderous MPG. I'd even test driven a 2021 XLE FWD 7 seater with a spare tire (Should've bought it then and there), but I had driven 2 Volvo XC90s at different local dealers and had such horrible sales experiences that I didn't buy either out of sheer spite, though I genuinely loved the vehicle. I was at this particular dealership to test drive a 2019 Subaru Ascent Limited with 40k miles. It didn't start. While the salesman rushed to grab a jump box, the friend I'd brought along told me the whole front clip had been painted. He's a painter at a semi truck dealership's body shop, so I figured he knew what he was talking about. They wanted $39k for the Ascent, which wasn't that bad I guess, but I decided to peruse the used lot on the Toyota side of the same massive dealership that sells 9 brands. For only 3 grand more, they had a gray LE FWD on the lot. Poverty spec. Didn't even have lumbar support. I'm sorry but this Uber driver NEEDS back support on 10+ hour stints at the wheel. The cloth seats were a problem too. If you've ever ridden in an Uber with cloth seats, I bet you wish you could forget that smell. If you can think of it, it gets spilled in an Uber. Food, water, soft drinks, alcohol, bodily fluids, and anything else you'd rather not think about having sat in. Some form of impervious seating materiel is an absolute must. A sunroof would be nice too. My salesman went inside to talk to the sales manager while I perused the used car lot. After about 5 minutes, he returned with a piece of paper in his hand and a spiel: "So new Siennas are in high demand and we would have to order you one to get you exactly what you want. Lead time is 6 to 8 months. BUT this will be here in 4 days and it's not spoken for" and handed me a build sheet. 2022 Sienna. XLE. Windchill pearl. Tri fold cargo liner. All weather mats. Front wheel drive. 8 passenger. No spare tire. Body side moldings and roof rack cross bars. MSRP $42k and some change. "Market adjusted price" $45,234. I talked them down skillfully but carefully to $44,000 even, and at the time I thought I was really getting taken. I put $5,000 down on a vehicle I hadn't even seen and got financing approved. It arrived one day late and the following Saturday I went out to claim my prize. I really wanted blue or green, but damn that white is gorgeous. I did really want a 7 seater and a spare tire though. Uber doesn't give you one cent more for having 8 seats vs 7, and the center pedestal left after removing the seat frustrates ingress and egress to the 3rd row, not to mention the infernal seat belt alarms when someone in the right center tries to buckle into the 8th seat's belt.

Tomorrow I go in for the 30k mile service. I'll pay for the oil change and tire rotation but I'm not giving them $150 extra for two filters that don't even require tools to replace yourself.

My ownership experience for those of you not-so-patiently waiting: Fuel economy is better than advertised. I tend to beat the EPA in every vehicle I drive, and this is no exception. Using special techniques, I almost always squeeze 700+ miles out of a tank @ 40+ MPG. The turn circle is unrivaled. The AC will freeze you out, but unfortunately so will the heat. Seriously the heat sucks in this car. Driving on the highway when the engine is almost always on? Not a problem at all; but in town when the engine is off at lights, the coolant temp bleeds off within one light cycle and leaves you chilly. You turn up the temperature but the car has to run it's engine more to keep the coolant temp up and that kills your MPG. I'm glad I live in the southeast. I would NOT want to drive this car in Milwaukee. Another true disappointment is the build quality. Everything is presented so nicely but everything you touch and everywhere you touch it this car feels cheap. From the huge panel gaps on top of the dash to the way-to-easy-to-flex center console. Gearshift is hilariously wobbly in park. The car has also suffered for several deep scratches in the interior plastic just from normal use. Not to mention the rubber inserts in the seat tracks are already tearing on both sides. This is what I expect from Nissan, Chevy, or Dodge; not Toyota. The engine is LOUD under load. Once you're up to speed and on cruise control it's not that bad but getting there is as loud as a 90s Honda with no muffler. I do love that all four windows are auto down AND up, and that I can still control them with the lockout switch on. The car is slow, but it isn't THAT slow. You do have to plan ahead for short on ramps but it's otherwise fine.

Would I buy another one? Absolutely. Show me another car that hauls 7 people and their bags to the airport in comfort and gets 40+ MPG while doing it. I'll wait. I can live with this car's obvious flaws and shortcomings.
$44k ! Does that include sales tax ? Mine was $44,500 with sales tax back in nov 2021. Same spec As yours. 40mpg is easily reached as long as you do not make long trips across state lines. Freeway speeds > 70mph will drastically reduce mpg to 33ish.
 

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$44k ! Does that include sales tax ? Mine was $44,500 with sales tax back in nov 2021. Same spec As yours. 40mpg is easily reached as long as you do not make long trips across state lines. Freeway speeds > 70mph will drastically reduce mpg to 33ish.
44k was the vehicle's price. If I follow the payment schedule (I'm not. I'll be paying it off in 3 years or less) the total price I'll pay for interest, additional warranty, tax, and including down payment is above $50,000. I paid $2100 or so to have the bumper to bumper warranty extended to 5 years/150k miles. My last Sienna ate $8700 worth of repairs in a year and a half so I'm NOT going to risk it. At 150,001 miles, it'll be traded off.
 
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