[krispykreme]

None of interior light switch aligns, the frunk plastic trim was warped

As much as I complain about sienna not being a 60K car. Tesla takes crown for poor finish, flimsy and cheap interior.

My old commuter 530e which I paid $56k has better material, better fit and finish.

I didn’t want to get a model Y but my spoiled kid went to my mom to buy one for my daughter. (I ended up footing entire $70k bill). It’s just a very poorly assembled car with cheap plastic interior. Now it sounds like a never stop rattling tin can.

 

[pamhar]

1. I really have to call BS here. While sienna fit and finish isn’t great. Tesla is far worse.

2. Tesla has been doing this 10 years still can’t assemble a car correctly without mis-align panel or door panel still falling off at delivery center. Even a 8 month old manufacturing factory Lucid has way better assembly quality and control. My air grand touring although cost more than a plaid and still buggy. But quality is way above any Tesla

Tesla did a lot of cost cutting too. That the 15.4” screen in model 3- go buy one from eBay and take it apart see what grade of panel they use.

Their self driving has been biggest lie (I have been working in this field for over 7 years).

Its pathetic and total lack of respect for human life.

Agreed.

Think GM is way better when it comes to self driving.

Tsla has the charging infrastructure but that will get wilted away by competition.

 

[starlightmica]

Teslas have been hard/expensive to fix, so insurers are likely to deem them totaled after crashes.

Here's a link to a Copart search for Model Ys with salvage titles, there are some cars that don't look that badly damaged and without airbag deployment.

 

[schen72]

None of interior light switch aligns, the frunk plastic trim was warped

As much as I complain about sienna not being a 60K car. Tesla takes crown for poor finish, flimsy and cheap interior.

My old commuter 530e which I paid $56k has better material, better fit and finish.

I didn’t want to get a model Y but my spoiled kid went to my mom to buy one for my daughter. (I ended up footing entire $70k bill). It’s just a very poorly assembled car with cheap plastic interior. Now it sounds like a never stop rattling tin can.

Are the pictures you posted your Model Y? I agree that's pretty bad. But mine isn't. I will take some pictures soon of the Sienna's panel fitment problems. Granted, my Sienna is the XLE which has the hard plastic dash. The entire top of the dash is hard plastic. Lots of it.

 

[schen72]

The frunk panel gap is perfect here.

The trunk panel gap is tight and looks the same on the other side.

Where the roof meets the hatch seems level and straight to me.

Interior panel fitment of the 3rd row in Sienna. It's not flush and stick out a bit.

Rear hatch of Sienna has huge panel gap around the hatch. At least it's uniform on both sides.

It's possible I got lucky and received a Model Y that was built well. But the Sienna has its own problems. I also had to get the tail lights replaced under warranty due to condensation inside. Dealer agreed it was defective. Again, my Sienna cost "only" $45k and the Model Y was $53k but I know even the Platinum trims have the same rear hatch issue. However, the Platinum's dash is definitely nicer with actual Softex material and no hard plastic.

 

[slothman]

save the extra money and buy a low mileage 19/20/21 still on warranty

1) you can buy lighted used IMMEDIATELY
2) you won't take a huge blow on depreciation

PS- Tesla build quality is horrific

 

[krispykreme]

Are the pictures you posted your Model Y? I agree that's pretty bad. But mine isn't. I will take some pictures soon of the Sienna's panel fitment problems. Granted, my Sienna is the XLE which has the hard plastic dash. The entire top of the dash is hard plastic. Lots of it. That is my spoiled kid model Y. Which I paid $70k

 

[starlightmica]

Rear hatch of Sienna has huge panel gap around the hatch. At least it's uniform on both sides.
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As the hatch is made of plastic, it’s going to expand and contract due to temperatures more than the adjacent steel. Unfortunately, the gap is a feature, not a bug, and was also present GM’s plastic-bodied Saturn cars.

 

[krispykreme]

Add interior picture of my spoiled kid model Y

 

[schen72]

That is my spoiled kid model Y. Which I paid $70k

I agree at $70k the Model Y is not worth it. I paid $53k for my 2022. I think some of your issues can be fixed by the service center or even mobile repair. It's a hassle, and might not be worth it for you.

 

[schen72]

As the hatch is made of plastic, it’s going to expand and contract due to temperatures more than the adjacent steel. Unfortunately, the gap is a feature, not a bug, and was also present GM’s plastic-bodied Saturn cars.

Either way it looks cheap. I'm not necessarily complaining here, as my XLE cost $45k which is considered an average car now. The interior of my Sienna has a lot more hard plastic than my Model Y.

 

[krispykreme]

I agree at $70k the Model Y is not worth it. I paid $53k for my 2022. I think some of your issues can be fixed by the service center or even mobile repair. It's a hassle, and might not be worth it for you.

The point is that the car should never leave the factory like this.

Some of them was fixed by the repair center.

I didn’t even post picture of liftgate. It had paint chip when delivered.

It was just bad.

 

[schen72]

The point is that the car should never leave the factory like this.

Some of them was fixed by the repair center.

I didn’t even post picture of liftgate. It had paint chip when delivered.

It was just bad.

Well, it is what it is. It's common knowledge that Tesla quality can be hit or miss. Even given that, I took a chance and got one anyway. I figured that's what the warranty is for, even though it's a hassle. I'm just saying that the Sienna isn't super high quality either in terms of fit and finish. We're not talking $200k Bentleys here.

 

[starlightmica]

Either way it looks cheap. I'm not necessarily complaining here, as my XLE cost $45k which is considered an average car now. The interior of my Sienna has a lot more hard plastic than my Model Y.

Our 2004 Sienna had more soft touch/padded plastic surfaces than the 2022 and was color coordinated, although the soft-touch dash developed cracks around the 14th year or so. I think that's going to less of a problem with the current setup, but yeah, it looks de-contented.

 

[krispykreme]

Well, it is what it is. It's common knowledge that Tesla quality can be hit or miss. Even given that, I took a chance and got one anyway. I figured that's what the warranty is for, even though it's a hassle. I'm just saying that the Sienna isn't super high quality either in terms of fit and finish. We're not talking $200k Bentleys here.

1. There is no $53k model Y until 2 weeks ago. Unless you got a new 2023. You paid over $70k for yours.

So you are comparing a $70k Tesla vs a $45k sienna XLE.

I don’t understand why you need to lie about things. There was no $7500 rebate for your 2022 model Y. You paid at least $72k for it.

$72k vs $45k- really want to go there

2. I think it’s an issue for majority of Tesla buyer.

I expect a $70k car to have quality of $70k car.

Sienna is still about $10k cheaper even with the Y price dropping to $53k barely 2 weeks ago.

3. My wife actually drives a 22 Bentayga. I wouldn’t compare a $280k SUV to $60k sienna platinum. That is absurd

same can be said comparing a $72k model Y with a $45k XLE (btw-my family did own a 2021 XLE, paid $44k from Toyota SF). It absurd.

But my $60k platinum is far better than the$70k MYLR.

It’s not the same. Tesla aren’t assembled well even 10 years in.

I am far from the minority on Tesla crap assembly.

 

[Holdme]

I own both a 2022 Sienna XLE and a 2022 Model Y. I think the Y's interior is more premium than the Sienna. The dash and doors are mostly soft touch and alcantara. The center console doors and latches feel substantial and well built. On my Sienna, the entire dash is hard plastic and feels cheap to the touch. The Y doesn't feel cheap. Both cars have the fake leather seats but the Y's seats are softer and nicer and more comfy than the Sienna. The Y's interior is indeed polarizing but in pictures it doesn't come across that they actually did use nicer materials. At the $53k I paid, the Y feels mostly "appropriate" when it comes to interior quality, albeit it's missing a few key features like ventilated seats and HUD. However, at the previous $67k price point, it's not "fancy" enough.

Personally for me, I decided on the Y vs. other EVs because Tesla has what I believe to be the most reliable EV drivetrain and batteries. They've been doing this for 10+ years. All the other EV brands are new and have no proven track record. Even with build quality, my Y has no issues and the panel gaps seem normal. My Sienna has bigger panel gaps around the rear hatch than the Y's rear hatch. Keep in mind that all the Tesla models are very different cars in terms of interior and engineering than when they first debuted, even though the exteriors look 99% identical. They are obviously not using resources for exterior refreshes, which is good and bad. It's good for existing owners as their cars don't look outdated.

All that being said, I don't see how OP can compare the Sienna to a Model 3 or Y. The Sienna is so much larger and has more passenger space to spread out. We take our Sienna when driving anywhere with the family.

Yeah, just for clarity here I wasn't comparing the Teslas interior to a Sienna.. during normal production times (prices) that would be silly. I was talking about comparing it to other crossover EVs in that same ball park price range. Also when I say interior I'm referring less to how soft things like the material on dashboards and armrests are and more about the technology, features that they use and overall design. Teslas still just use the big goofy (IMO) single screen popping out and plain everything else; no real instruments to work with. Looks like the general public spoke up and everyone except Elon listened. Now everyone else is moving ahead with beautiful mixtures of both digital screens with physical panels such as climate controls to give people the best of both worlds. This is all just personal preference of course, I'm just clarifying what I meant by Teslas interiors being "hilarious" compared to something like the LYRIQ.

They may wind up having the most reliable draintrain.. we'll have to see what happens. Considering whether you get a solid built Tesla currently depends on if the brand new employee with zero training (actual news stories on this) is the one who worked on your car or the person who has been there a few years; taking my chances with something like a Cadillac is a risk I would happily take. Battery wise I could have sworn for most of their life Teslas have just been using the same CATL batteries as everyone else. Isn't that part of the point of the two new Gigafactories; to finally start working on building their own batteries in conjunction with Panasonic? If that's the case we'll have to see how those work out compared to others.

In the end I'll give the model Y specifically some props on it's safety though. That recent story of the doctor who attempted to kill his entire family by launching them all off a 250 foot cliff and somehow they all survived is pretty insane. Definitely can't say at least that model isn't awesome in the safety department.

 

[krispykreme]

Yeah, just for clarity here I wasn't comparing the Teslas interior to a Sienna.. during normal production times (prices) that would be silly. I was talking about comparing it to other crossover EVs in that same ball park price range. Also when I say interior I'm referring less to how soft things like the material on dashboards and armrests are and more about the technology, features that they use and overall design. Teslas still just use the big goofy (IMO) single screen popping out and plain everything else; no real instruments to work with. Looks like the general public spoke up and everyone except Elon listened. Now everyone else is moving ahead with beautiful mixtures of both digital screens with physical panels such as climate controls to give people the best of both worlds. This is all just personal preference of course, I'm just clarifying what I meant by Teslas interiors being "hilarious" compared to something like the LYRIQ.

They may wind up having the most reliable draintrain.. we'll have to see what happens. Considering whether you get a solid built Tesla currently depends on if the brand new employee with zero training (actual news stories on this) is the one who worked on your car or the person who has been there a few years; taking my chances with something like a Cadillac is a risk I would happily take. Battery wise I could have sworn for most of their life Teslas have just been using the same CATL batteries as everyone else. Isn't that part of the point of the two new Gigafactories; to finally start working on building their own batteries in conjunction with Panasonic? If that's the case we'll have to see how those work out compared to others.

In the end I'll give the model Y specifically some props on it's safety though. That recent story of the doctor who attempted to kill his entire family by launching them all off a 250 foot cliff and somehow they all survived is pretty insane. Definitely can't say at least that model isn't awesome in the safety department.

It’s not really only based on battery. Mainly is based on how good the pack design is, the motor, and inverter.

Motor design wise- Lucid is far ahead of what Tesla and other can do.

Pack design wise- is hard to say who is better now. Given Tesla move to 4680 isn’t really based on efficiency of the cell. It’s more about more capacity of the pack given Tesla structure space. 4680 by itself is actually worse in terms of energy density. But going to tabless allows better power. Only time will tell if using battery cell as structure is a wise move. There is a reason why no one dared to use battery as structure. Because it’s another Pinto waiting to happen. Musk has way to twist things around. But reality will eventually catch up.

 

[schen72]

1. There is no $53k model Y until 2 weeks ago. Unless you got a new 2023. You paid over $70k for yours.

So you are comparing a $70k Tesla vs a $45k sienna XLE.

I don’t understand why you need to lie about things. There was no $7500 rebate for your 2022 model Y. You paid at least $72k for it.

I ordered my Model Y in September of 2021 and the price was $53k back then. I am not lying. I don't know why you have to get nasty. I can show you my Y's window sticker if you really think I'm lying. At $72k I would not have bought the Y because I don't think it's worth it at that price. I wouldn't want to spend that much on ANY car. The price increases >$53k didn't start until I think the very end of 2021. I took delivery in Feb 2022, but Tesla honors the price you ordered at.

You have to understand that with EVs, the drivetrain is more expensive than an ICE car. So the same priced EV vs. ICE, something has to give. But in the end I guess we all have different expectations of a car. I'm quite happy with both my Model Y (at $53k) and my Sienna. It's pretty much what I would expect at $45k, and if there was inventory to get a Platinum at the time, I would have.

But it definitely sounds like you should not buy any more Teslas given how much you dislike them. We should only buy cars we enjoy (and can comfortably afford, of course). In the end, we can all think what we want. I don't want to dictate to anyone what they should or shouldn't buy. I'm only telling my own experience.

 

[schen72]

Our 2004 Sienna had more soft touch/padded plastic surfaces than the 2022 and was color coordinated, although the soft-touch dash developed cracks around the 14th year or so. I think that's going to less of a problem with the current setup, but yeah, it looks de-contented.

I've never had dashboard cracks in any car I've ever owned, but I also always use a sunshade when it's parked outside. Also, if I knew I was going to replace cars every 5 years, I wouldn't even bother with sunshades because it's only an issue after year 10 of owning a car. I generally keep cars for >15 years and don't replace them often.

 

[Pau Torres]

We're a Toyota family and have been on the waiting list for a Sienna since October. Our experience with the Toyota buying experience has been worse than terrible. Dealerships constantly switching stories, passed between sales guy to sales guy and forced options we simply don't want. The latest is the gulf states paint protection then the dealer paint protection mark up on the same vehicle. Not to mention the mudguards, roof rails and rear entertainment system etc. etc. It's Nuts! It looks as though Tesla came down below the EV tax credit on some models. That is why we are looking for one on sca.auction at the moment. My wife and I are about to place the order online for the Tesla and cancel the Toyota. We really wanted the Sienna but are running out of patience with the whole process.

The crazy thing is that we can order the Tesla from home, without the dealership slime and have the Tesla delivered first week in Feb 2023.

I'm sorry to hear that your experience with the Toyota buying process has been frustrating. It's understandable that you may be considering other options, such as a Tesla Model 3, if you are not satisfied with the Toyota buying experience.
One huge advantage of ordering a Tesla online is that it eliminates the need to deal with traditional dealership sales tactics. Even today in 2023 I don't knw any other car vendor doing like that. Additionally, Tesla's direct sales model can simplify the buying process and make it more convenient for customers. It's also worth noting that Tesla's electric vehicles have received generally positive reviews for their performance, efficiency, and advanced features.