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it is law that they can't sell the vehicle itself above MSRP (Sale above advertised price - Competition Bureau Canada), but there is no restriction when it comes to dealer fees, accessories, etc.

Unfortunately it doesn't stop them. A local dealer was selling a "used" Sienna with 20km on it for 20k$ over MSRP.

 

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I have basically given up. Ordered a LE AWD in Jan 2022. At this point the large dealership gets 1 a month or less. Unlikely that I will see a van anytime in the next 6 - 12 months. It is inexcusable that t there are deliveries of the AE when there are orders outstanding for the previous year. It is time Toyota got a customer centric order system rather than this dealer focused garbage.

 

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I got an update from my dealership, it seems 2023 deliveries were made this month, most however were LE and very few XLE trim. XSE and higher trims with technology packages will be long wait going into 2023. Good luck all.

I ordered an LE AWD and no news. Having ordered in Jan 2022 I don't expect the van to appear before the 2024 model year. Not taking financing or leasing is not helping either.

 

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Local dealership is selling a 2023 "used" Sienna XLE with 1000km for 66995$. I think that works out to a 40% premium. CDN dollars.

 

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I am starting to lean towards a wait and see for the Id.buzz at this point. By the time I might actually see a Sienna it is going to be out of date. Quite frankly it is already out of date even compared to other Toyotas.

 

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ID buzz long base is expected to be 80k range or more in price though .

If that's the case that would be disappointing. It would be far more than it is worth and well outside any incentives. I might just be priced out of the car market.

 

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Well it is official. I have given up on a Sienna and Toyota. I got my deposit back today and now the search starts for something else.

 

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That's too bad, mind if I ask which trim/dealer/date you went with? I am still too naive to give up hope!

LE AWD, Ile Perrot near Montreal. Ordered Jan 2022.

 

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When do dealers get their monthly allocation details? I thought it was the 15th but my salesperson says he hasn't gotten it yet.

Unfortunately, no matter what time of the month it is zero is still zero. Most dealers seem to get an annual allocation you can count on one hand with orders in the 2 and 3 digits. Yet in the US dealers have them in stock or within a month. Here you are quoted 3-4 year wait times now. It is simply Toyota prioritizing profits in the US and abandoning the Canadian market.

In 3-4 years Toyota probably won't even make the Sienna.