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But it's the sales guy who told you 4-6 months, not Toyota. From what I hear, Toyota gives dealerships expected allocations at the beginning of each model year for their planning, so it's not like they're completely in the dark. Sure, things change because of production/supply chain issues, etc. And there's no details on each trim/color, so there's unknowns there.
I can say with almost certainty that the only ones playing games are the dealerships, playing favorites and manipulation customers to assign allocations to whoever is most beneficial to them. Toyota just produces as many as fast as they can. If there is any blame on Toyota, it's that they allow dealerships that power, instead of pulling ordering back to a central system. But that's every manufacturer (except Tesla).

There's another point I looked into. I was a bit annoyed at the whole US vs Canada wait times, and it seemed like Toyota should just allocate more cars to Canada to balance things out. However, looking at the monthly Sienna sales numbers where available, Canada numbers aren't too far off from 1/10th of US. It seems that Canada is just getting its "fair" share of vehicles from Toyota, and our wait times are just our market situation here.
I think instead of looking at vehicle allocation by population perhaps look at allocation between the countries based on past Sienna years.

In Canada, Sienna is pretty much the leader while in US it is not and hence more over allocation vs prior years.

Just my 2.5 cents [inflation].
 

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Wow. That’s really bad. I am so sorry what happened to you.
Why Toyota even advertise Sienna if we need to wait for more than 2 years.
Even you sign bill of sale today but you don’t get the 2023 or 2024 model anyway.
 

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But it's the sales guy who told you 4-6 months, not Toyota. From what I hear, Toyota gives dealerships expected allocations at the beginning of each model year for their planning, so it's not like they're completely in the dark. Sure, things change because of production/supply chain issues, etc. And there's no details on each trim/color, so there's unknowns there.
Yes I agree, the dealership did make it clear that it was just an ETA that was subject to change. I understand this because I read the forums here, reddit and other online sources to understand how upside down manufacturing and global supply shortages are. It's also his job as a 'sales professional' to update customers, keep us in the loop and answer when requested. He will answer, but typically copy and paste the same general response and if you push him a bit to do his job, he gets agitated. His stance is that because Toyota isn't giving them information, he won't update us because he knows nothing. My point is even some news, if bad news, is still news. If they tell all the customers on a regular basis that they're getting a van or two a month allocated to them, then it sets expectation. Instead, this dealership or the salesguy chooses to do nothing.
 

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Wow. That’s really bad. I am so sorry what happened to you.
Why Toyota even advertise Sienna if we need to wait for more than 2 years.
Even you sign bill of sale today but you don’t get the 2023 or 2024 model anyway.
honestly if i'm around 27th and they claim to get 1-2 vans a month, this is at least 2 years out. Keep in mind, my order was for a 2021 and we are on MY2023 now, so i'll probably end up with a MY2025 lol 😥 If something else comes along i'll consider cancelling, because waiting 2-3 years for a Sienna when originally quoted 4-6mo is not acceptable.
 

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yeah really dealerships should just be upfront. we have x amount of people on the waiting list, you would be #y and we get z siennas approx per quarter... so yeah. production will hopefully increase soon, but at this time that is the facts
 

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Yeah! I totally agree with you guys. If the sales guy followed up and told us the truth, then we could make alternative decisions or put deposit down at other dealers. Getting different models or brands etc…

We all understand the covid situation but after 15 months wait and told us another years, are totally BS and unacceptable. Feel like wasting of our time.

I have seen 2022 Sienna in GTA and I found mostly Don Valley North plates. You know the name of dealership on car plates….
 

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Yeah! I totally agree with you guys. If the sales guy followed up and told us the truth, then we could make alternative decisions or put deposit down at other dealers. Getting different models or brands etc…

We all understand the covid situation but after 15 months wait and told us another years, are totally BS and unacceptable. Feel like wasting of our time.

I have seen 2022 Sienna in GTA and I found mostly Don Valley North plates. You know the name of dealership on car plates….
Yeah i agree.. i blindly waited for Toyota to do right by me for 14 months before I decided it was time to secure a plan B and C. During this time, I could have found myself in another car with much lower rates to pay. Here I am in present day, no car, everywhere else is 1-2 years out, rates are rising. This i'm more upset at Toyota for as opposed to the dealership, but it is also on Toyota to update their dealers so that this info can be relayed to customers.
 

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I have seen 2022 Sienna in GTA and I found mostly Don Valley North plates. You know the name of dealership on car plates….
There are so many Siennas rolling around the GTA, we definitely get more allocations than anywhere else in the country. There are a few high volume dealerships in the area that seem to get 5-15 Siennas a month, based on what I'm told. I feel sorry for the folks in smaller towns with a single dealership that gets basically no allocations.
 

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There are so many Siennas rolling around the GTA, we definitely get more allocations than anywhere else in the country. There are a few high volume dealerships in the area that seem to get 5-15 Siennas a month, based on what I'm told. I feel sorry for the folks in smaller towns with a single dealership that gets basically no allocations.
That's us right here! Metro Vancouver is like timbuktu compared to GTA's market lol. Btw, 5-15 Siennas per month is what the Tier 1 dealership I ordered from gets in an entire year supposedly.
 

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That's us right here! Metro Vancouver is like timbuktu compared to GTA's market lol. Btw, 5-15 Siennas per month is what the Tier 1 dealership I ordered from gets in an entire year supposedly.
When you mention Vancouver, then it's not Jet said small town. As I said earlier, my dealer only got 5 Sienna by far this year, so...
 

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Mark ups are here to top up all the waiting time. I managed to get in touch with a GTA dealer who was getting an unallocated sienna LE (basically the guy who booked it had his finance plan rejected). The dealer was asking for 10k in dealer option garbage. Rust protection, ceramic coating, etc. All of it was utter nonsense.

This was bringing up the cost of an LE to almost the xse + tech package. Ridiculous times.
 

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I am so confused and hope it’s not true.
BS, probably trying to scare people into buying at markups.

The visibility to gauge 7 years from now is downright false.

It will take some time to get closer to pre pandemic levels delivery dates and it while vary by model and its popularity BUT there will be other choices in non ICE vans as well in next 2-3 years.
 

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Anyone have any updates from ottawa area dealers?
I am waiting now 8 months from orleans Toyota for my red limited sienna.

I decided to put my name on the list for the sequoia and was told I am 1st on the list for the platinum model.Waiting to see which comes first.
 

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Anyone have any updates from ottawa area dealers?
I am waiting now 8 months from orleans Toyota for my red limited sienna.

I decided to put my name on the list for the sequoia and was told I am 1st on the list for the platinum model.Waiting to see which comes first.
Nothing yet here. I ordered a XLE from Toyota in Barrhaven in Nov. 21. Order is still “pending fulfillment”.
 

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Dealership said my anniversary edition will be here in November. Dealership said they only allocated one. They don't know pricing yet.

They said if I wanted the xse it would be 2024 or 25 model year
 

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Dealership said my anniversary edition will be here in November. Dealership said they only allocated one. They don't know pricing yet.

They said if I wanted the xse it would be 2024 or 25 model year
That's good news right? If the document posted of US pricing is accurate, expect the pricing to be between XSE Tech and Limited.

 

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That's good news right? If the document posted of US pricing is accurate, expect the pricing to be between XSE Tech and Limited.

They said that the anniversary doesn't have the tv nor digital rear view mirror, but still has power inverter. Not sure if that is in the states or not. Hopefully will have pricing soon
 
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