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here's a short video:

looks okay. free carfax shows two owners and pretty good upkeep.

can i get ya'lls thoughts?

and just in general, is it a good idea to get any used car inspected before buying, if possible? whatever i get, i'll be going from CA to RI in the not too distant future, so i'm kinda nervous about things.

edit: just found this one, 2016, 63k miles, for $23k. lesser model but many fewer miles. but it's a used car outfit and not a toyota dealer. oddly, carfax shows that the used joint bought it from a toyota dealer in february. guess they got it for a great price. but it is odd, isn't it?

 

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In February we purchased a 2015 Sienna Limited Premium AWD with 138,000 miles from a small dealer in Placerville, CA for $19, 200 (without taxes and registration). Absolutely love the car. Personally, I would only buy AWD.

But here is my prediction, with the crashing of the US banking system and the layoff of employees in the private sector and the coming "recession" (i.e., depression), if you could wait two to six months, I think you could get a better deal, expecially if you are willing to pay cash.
 

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Never worry about the year, or even mileage. Worry about the DOCUMENTED maintenance. And not just oil changes. Look at EVERYTHING. $23k is a lot for a van. have it inspected by third party mechanic. You just can't trust dealers.
 

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boy, from what i read here, 2015-2016 are the good years and then 2017 the transmissions turned problematic.
see this thread: Best used Sienna for my purposes?.
you disagree?
In my opinon the 2015 and 16 were the best, last year of the trusty 2gr-fe and 6 speed tranny. 2017 is the actual transition year for the 3rd gen which changed to the 8 speed and fks instead of the fe.
 

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Never worry about the year, or even mileage. Worry about the DOCUMENTED maintenance. And not just oil changes. Look at EVERYTHING. $23k is a lot for a van. have it inspected by third party mechanic. You just can't trust dealers.
IMO opinion, a mechanic is going to have a difficult time finding an issue with a Sienna. I would definitely look at the maintenance, but there is relatively little maintenance (except fluids changed). An example I had recently was my 2010 Tundra that I bought with 90K miles A/C compressor went out at 110K 2 years later. There is no way an inspection could reveal that.
 

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In my opinon the 2015 and 16 were the best, last year of the trusty 2gr-fe and 6 speed tranny. 2017 is the actual transition year for the 3rd gen which changed to the 8 speed and fks instead of the fe.
that's my understanding, too. have added 2015s to my search criteria but there aren't many of them around san diego, either. sigh.
 

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IMO opinion, a mechanic is going to have a difficult time finding an issue with a Sienna. I would definitely look at the maintenance, but there is relatively little maintenance (except fluids changed). An example I had recently was my 2010 Tundra that I bought with 90K miles A/C compressor went out at 110K 2 years later. There is no way an inspection could reveal that.
does that mean you wouldn't bother getting an independent inspection at all?
 

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It's too expensive, but then all autos are now. It's the wrong color, but we don't always get that choice.

I bought a 2013 FWD (same generation of van) with the same miles a few years ago and it was one of the best investments I've ever made. And I wouldn't usually think of a vehicle as an investment. With a few modifications, I've turned it into a stealthy camper van and last year went on an 18000+ mile road trip all the way to the Arctic Ocean (twice), the entire width and length of Canada and back home again. I put on very good tires and never had a problem anywhere, although I almost went too far on the beach and got into some sand, but was able to get out under my own power. We've camped next to glaciers, on mountaintops, next to the ocean and everywhere in between.

Great van, very comfortable, infinitely customizable if you want and have the time. Fantastic gas mileage, especially if you don't want to be the fastest person on the road. I generally got about 30 mpg, but much of my driving was 55 mph or less.

Get an inspection before you buy and take good care of it after, and you should have a great van for many, many years.
If you can afford it, go for it.

This is on the continental divide near the Arctic Circle.
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I would just make sure that everything works properly (having experience with other Siennas will help with this) and inspect for rust in the rear beam and other frame parts underneath and other signs of damage.
 

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It's too expensive, but then all autos are now. It's the wrong color, but we don't always get that choice.

I bought a 2013 FWD (same generation of van) with the same miles a few years ago and it was one of the best investments I've ever made. And I wouldn't usually think of a vehicle as an investment. With a few modifications, I've turned it into a stealthy camper van and last year went on an 18000+ mile road trip all the way to the Arctic Ocean (twice), the entire width and length of Canada and back home again. I put on very good tires and never had a problem anywhere, although I almost went too far on the beach and got into some sand, but was able to get out under my own power. We've camped next to glaciers, on mountaintops, next to the ocean and everywhere in between.

Great van, very comfortable, infinitely customizable if you want and have the time. Fantastic gas mileage, especially if you don't want to be the fastest person on the road. I generally got about 30 mpg, but much of my driving was 55 mph or less.

Get an inspection before you buy and take good care of it after, and you should have a great van for many, many years.
If you can afford it, go for it.

This is on the continental divide near the Arctic Circle.
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wowzer, fantastic, lucky you! which car are you referring to that's the wrong color and why would it be wrong?

i've been looking at 2015 and 16. think i ought to add 14 to the list?
 

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Transmission's heat up when the vehicle is towing. Too much heat destroys a transmission's internal parts, clutches, etc. Thus, vehicles which are ordered from the vehicle's manufacturer with a towing package, generally include a cooler to cool the automatic transmission fluid to reduce the heat of the transmission's components. The ATF cooler is usually a part but a segregated part of the vehicle's radiator, the primary function of which is to cool the antifreeze/water which is used to cool the engine.

Whether towing or not, a transmission which does not overheat will last longer.

Accordingly, a transmission oil cooler is usually a desirable feature.
 

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The entire car which runs cooler lasts longer. As an example, Cadillac has limo's and other sedans which they call "Fleet", and carry a 3 year 150,000 mile warranty. Now, why would a "regular" 2005 Deville have about a 50,000 mile warranty and the fleet version 150k? Reason: The fleet model has a vastly oversized radiator..perhaps double or triple the size. It also takes about 8 quarts of oil so this is probably a larger oil pan. Radiators clog over time..with debris, and gunk. So, if half the cooling fins of your radiator are clogged and you have a 3x radiator capactity, you can still keep going as if it were new as far as the cooling goes. Excessive heat blows head gaskets and kills cars. Keep it cool if you want it to last. If I owned a Sienna with 100 to 150 thousand miles, I would replace the radiator, asap. A new radiator should have 100 percent cooling capacity. Sure a radiator will cost you 500 to 800 bucks, depending on where you get it, but its like replacing your roof when its not raining. If you wait, you will be replacing the radiator, and head gasket, etc, a much more expensive repair.
Ditto for replacing your roof. It its like 20 years old, then its about due. Waiting until it leaks means you will be replacing drywall ceilings, probably wiring and more also.
 

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The "cooler" you spoke of, I think is a transmission cooler. The idea is to keep both cool. I replaced the radiator in my 2000 Buick Park Ave at about 90,000 its still going strong at 200,000 but the Park Ave is kind of bullet proof. Still, heat destroys motors. If you have ever seen anyone off the road with smoke or steam rising from the hood, rest assured that car is near the end of life. They should put a sign on over heated cars: Terminally ill car. You "may" be able to get away with it "once" as long as you havent driven it too long while over heating. As far as buying one, I would avoid a car that I had any idea had overheated. Yes, I know. They service manual does not recommend changing the radiator at xxx thousand miles. That is because they would rather sell you a new car.
As explained, my 2005 Cadillac "fleet livery" model, is a model for professional drivers, who transport "big shots" in Caddy's or Limo's. Do these big shots want to break down and overheat? I dont think so. So, Caddy extended the warranty to 150,000 on "fleet livery" vehicles and put in a huge radiator, plus they increased the oil capacity. Oil, too cools your engine, and 8 quarts will cool more than 5 quarts.
Think of it on an extreme: If you put 2 drops of water in a spoon, you could probably boil that water with a match. However, to raise the temperature of 500 million gallons of water, would take an enormous amount of energy. Its a mathematical formula, where the larger radiator and larger oil capacity greatly helps keeping the engine cool.
ALSO: I dont allow a "blanket of caked on oil and road grim" to accumulate on my engine or transmission. Why? Well that blanket of dust, debris, dirt, oil, grease etc, keeps the heat in the motor, making it harder to escape, putting a strain on the cooling system. Clean engines last longer, as the cooling systems work as designed, without interference from a dust/grease blanket over your engine.
Your engine and tranny are bolted together, and tend to be the same temp, under ordinary conditions. So, keeping the engine cool helps keep the tranny cool. The tranny cooler is mostly installed for vehicles used for towing. Towing, kills tranny's (especially without the tranny cooler), because excessive heat kills tranny's just like engines. Heck, too much heat will even kill you and I.
 

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Im also a math nerd. Ok, so you are considering 24k for a sienna with 80 k miles. Compare that to a new one, say, my 2023 Sienna which will likely last 200,000 miles, and so will yours. (Actually the hybrids tend to outlast and have less maintenance than the ICE in many vehicles. Why? Because the electric motor is propelling your car a significant portion of the time. If its 10 percent, then a 200,000 mile Sienna has the equivilant of 180,000 on the engine with the hybrid.
Back to the example. My Sienna was 45k. Divide that by 200,000 miles (estimated useful life) and you get .225 cents per mile of your car which is "used up" each mile you drive.
Now, work your's. Again lets assume you get 200,000 miles (no guarantee..especially when you often have no idea how the last guy maintained the car). This means you have 120,000 miles left to go of useful life. 24,500 divided by 120,000 miles is 20.4 cents per mile. Hypothetically this suggests the used car is a better buy than the new one, but, this does not consider some very important factors:
1. Your new car will have a warranty, the used one will cost more if you buy it, and probably be inferior to the new car warranty.
2. You will get much better fuel economy with the new car. If both cars get epa mileage, then the sienna hybrid will save 2381 gallons of gasoline vs the 2016 gas model.
At 4.00 per gallon that is 7.9 cents PER MILE less for the hybrid in fuel vs the ICE sienna.
3. Remember, about 80 percent of your repairs will occur in the "last" 20 percent of the cars life. Very often this means it costs more to keep that old jalopy running than to replace it. A dead, not running car is not worth much on trade.
If you add the subtract the fuel savings (7.9 cents per mile) from the original 22.5 cents per mile (new), then the new sienna will cost just 14.6 cents a mile (equivilant) after the fuel savings is deducted, which is far less than the 20.4 cents a mile on the 2016 Sienna.
For that reason, the 2016 "sounds" cheap, but, when you run the numbers, its no good. I can also tell you there is great peace of mind, driving a newer car in warranty. If it breaks, I call the dealer and tell them to fix it under warranty. Its someone else's problem, not mine. Generally a near new car is highly less likely to fail than an old clunker.
I used to buy cheap cars and fix them for decades. I bought a $400 Chrysler and drove it 2 years. But, Im done working on them..I dont even change the oil any more. I served my time working on old cars. Im retired now, and a car is "to serve my needs", and "its not my job" to get a second job to "feed" a car. I would not feed that 2016 money. Instead, you can consider alternatives, especially if you dont need that much room. Corolla Cross is very interesting, new, at not much more than 24,500. You can redo that math on each car you consider. Its not hard. Edmunds "TCO" True cost to own is usefull, too, for comparison. Cost of Car Ownership - 5-Year Cost Calculator | Edmunds.com
While this is an unusual market that will unlikely go on forever, the least expensive way for me to drive is to buy a new sienna and trade it in about every 2-3 years on another new one. Right now, a 2 year old Sienna is worth "very close" to what a new one costs. This means zero depreciation. Beat that!
 
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