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#44 ·
StoneFish said:
You are right about 2nd row seats not been removable. Big mistake by Toyota.
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I agree. One of the best traits of mini vans is their versitility in being able to haul our families and .weekend hobby stuff.. that includes 4 x 8 building sheets. I wonder why no one has come out with sliding extensions for the luggage rack?
 
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micoborromeo said:
Plugin Hybrid for 2024 ? Any news ?
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It would be nice, but it doesn't look to me like the Sienna is designed with an optional underbody battery in mind.

StoneFish said:
Using nickel-metal hydride battery. It is not likely to have Plugin Hybrid. They need to change to Lithium-ion battery.
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Well, they do use a Li-ion for the Prime version of the RAV4 and Prius, but I agree that the Sienna is not likely to get the Prime version (If I read Toyota's collective mind correctly)
 
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Dimitrij said:
It would be nice, but it doesn't look to me like the Sienna is designed with an optional underbody battery in mind.

Well, they do use a Li-ion for the Prime version of the RAV4 and Prius, but I agree that the Sienna is not likely to get the Prime version (If I read Toyota's collective mind correctly)
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The Rav4 Prime has a 18.1 kWh Li-Ion battery (Plugin HV). The 2021-22 Sienna has a 1.9 kWh (NiMH). A full electric Tesla has between 77 kWh - 99 kWh (whole floor is a lithium battery). So i would disagree that the Sienna does not have enough space. If they can fit it in a smaller Rav4 - im pretty sure it would not be difficult to fit a sub 20 kWh Li-Ion or Solid State battery in there somewhere. Also, FWD Sienna's has nothing in the area where the MGR is supposed to be - so that space is free. I can clearly see it from the back of the van.
 
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texas911 said:
Toyota sold over 100,000 Siennas last year. RavPrimes, 27,703. They probably don't have the capacity to build the volumes that the Sienna need.
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Yes, they couldn't keep up with producing Sienna's or RAV4 Primes (or even regular RAV4 hybrids). So the way I see it, anything new they release is meaningless anyway. The wait on any Sienna is over 1 year in Canada now. If they announce a new Sienna Prime, the wait will be like what, 2 years? That's the wait (at least) for a RAV4 Prime, which means that for all intents and practical purposes, it doesn't exist.

Off topic but related note: We went to look at the Ioniq 5 over the weekend. We were told the wait to get one is approx. 2.5 years.
 
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starlightmica said:
Here's Lexus' LSS comparison chart, I assume that TSS and LSS are interchangeable

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Seems to be a fair extrapolation. Btw, Kia and Hyundai have a new safety system at the top trims of 2023 Kia Telluride and 2023 Hyundai Palisade mirroring TSS 3.0, I imagine Toyota's Enhanced Tracing Assist is similar to Kia/Hyundai's Lane Following Assist (in which the lane centering feature is decoupled from adaptive cruise control function); Toyota's Curve Speed Management is somewhat identical to Kia/Hyundai's NSCC-C with Curve management; and finally Toyota's Left Turn Vehicle Intervention Support, Front to Front oncoming Car detection and Right/Left Turn detection/braking is similar to Kia/Hyundai's FCA JT/LO/LS/JC/ESA. So looks like Toyota and Kia/Hyundai are releasing new versions of their safety system with Kia/Hyundai a bit ahead in the timeline of rolling them out. Unfortunatley, Sienna will be one of the last to receive these systems (don't expect TSS 3.0 in Sienna until at least 2026MY)
 
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medallione said:
Unfortunatley, Sienna will be one of the last to receive these systems (don't expect TSS 3.0 in Sienna until at least 2026MY)
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That would be really disappointing, considering the Corolla already got it. Not sure what Toyota's thinking is here, but they are selling so many Sienna's I guess they could very well sell them with no TSS at all and there would still be a line (I wouldn't be in it though)...
 
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Jetstreamblue said:
That would be really disappointing, considering the Corolla already got it. Not sure what Toyota's thinking is here, but they are selling so many Sienna's I guess they could very well sell them with no TSS at all and there would still be a line (I wouldn't be in it though)...
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I think it is a more business decision rather than a technical decision. Toyota needs to clean older models to balance the cost sheet.
 
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Smrtguy said:
They’re selling out as fast as Toyota can make them, right now it’s about a 6 month wait for all Siennas.
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What I was trying to say was the potential new updates for upcoming Sienna were luxurious additions and not necessarily suitable for the Norht American market needs. That said, just using March 2022 US sales as an example. Total 6,840 Siennas have been sold. How many of those were the $60,000 platinum trim? Toyota is making as fast as they could and chip shortage is not helping. The average US sales price would be around $48,000 OTD. Dealership mark ups are stupid and even in CA there are good Toyota dealers are not stupid.
 
#60 ·
What I am waiting for to upgrade my existing 2015 Limited Premium AWD sienna is:
  • Removable second row seats (I actually wish we could get less airbags/grenades in these family haulers).
  • PHEV - Come on its 2023 almost and Toyota can't make the entire line up with a simple plug (even for 110 hook up that would be fine)!
  • I want the new 3.5L Twin Turbo hybrid setup like in the tundra. But the van needs to be able to do 100 miles in EV only mode. Make it so I can buy drop in battery pack modules if that makes it cheaper, but I want 100 miles of battery (its almost 2023).

Optional items I wish to have:
* electro chromatic glass for all glass so we can adjust the privacy/tint level
 
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