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#1 ·
I don't post much, but there is very little on the board about motor mounts so I am sharing my experience.

I have a 2006 XLE AWD with 122,000 on the clock and am the original owner. My dad had me wrenching with at 2 or 3 years old--imprinting mechanical stuff on the brain--so I like to do my own work. I am also not impressed by most stealership workmanship, although you can find the rare gem of a tech.

I've had all kinds of cars, from a stock 1937 Chevrolet coupe inherited from the old man to MGBs to Subarus--but never had to replace motor mounts until today. My Sienna was starting to make some crunching noises upon throttle application, and I eventually found that the front lower mount was totally blown, allowing the V6 (3MZFE) to bend the entire driveline and exhaust. The last clue that I had a problem was the rocking engine allowing the exhaust gasket in the spring joint just in front of the catalytic converter to break apart and fail. This car has lived its life in Vermont and Maine on very tough, potholed roads, shortening the life of the mounts.

I ordered Beck Arnley mounts from Rock Auto. I got the lower front mount (attaches to front lower crossmember, the one you floor jack from), the RH mount (engine belt side) and the LH mount (transaxle case side). I did not replace the top "banjo" mount above the serpentine belt--which was in good shape--or the AWD-specific lower rear mount. The lower rear mount is not weight-bearing; it is a D-ring that surrounds a rubberized stud and limits the range of motion of the AWD transfer case to protect the propeller (drive) shaft and other driveline bits.

I believe Beck Arnley makes the OEM mounts; the front mount had the correct Toyota part number on it in the form of a red-and-white decal, and the Toyota "rings" symbol had been removed from the decal with an razor before it was shipped to me. The Beck Arnley mounts via Rock Auto are about 60% less expensive than OEM MSRP. They appeared to be of very good quality. They are made in Taiwan.

I was under the gun to get the job done today, so no pics. About a week ago, I jacked the car, cleaned the one top and three lower bolt studs on each mount with a wire brush, and hit all the nuts with PB Blaster. Yesterday, I did this again. Takes maybe 20 minutes, but at age 40 or so, I have learned this is time well spent.

I removed the upper and lower air intakes, the battery, loosened the bracket that anchors the air-filter box, and removed the top "banjo" mount by removing the two bolts that pass through the rubber bushings at the head and tail of the banjo.

With the car jacked and on stands, I pulled the front wheels and removed the plastic side panels that protect the engine and transaxle from the wheel wells. Each of these panesl (L and R) have two 10mm bolts and one plastic plug-type clip. The clip on one side was missing and the other shattered due to brittleness and age when removed. I did not sweat replacing them. The two bolts per side are good given the age of my Sienna (shooting for 10 yrs or 200,000 miles before I give up).

Each of the three mount's top bolts came off with ease. The lower front mount's three bottom bolt did too. The side mounts were tougher--the exposed bolt on each came off easily, while to two hidden bolts per side (those inside the front sub-frame, under plastic dust covers) needed lots of penetrating oil and back-and-forth wrench work but all came free. The rear D-ring needs to be freed as well--take out the two bolts that mount the D-ring itself--they are above the rubberized stud and came loose with a 17mm socket and a very long extension with no problem. You can just let the D-ring dangle, but it need to be unbolted to let the engine move freely to replace the three weight-bearing mounts.

Using a floor jack and a 10 inch 2x4, I first jacked the engine/transaxle under its center and was able to clear all of the studs on the front lower mounts remove and replace the old mount with the new (leaving it unbolted). I moved the jack and wood to the driver's side, jacking under the tranmission oil pan and replaced the LH mount in the same fashion. When letting the jack down, I used some wadded shop towels to raise the mount enough to keep the mount studs threaded as the engine came down, then pulled the towels out before I let the jack all the way down--this allowed the mounts to seat properly. Then I moved to the engine oil pan with the jack and 2x4--again careful to spread the load on the delicate pan--and replaced the RH mount.

From here, it was a simple reverse operation. Find your torque values in the shop manual via this site, but they are all between 55 and 70 lb. ft., (check the the banjo mount). I then replaced my cat converter gasket and bolts-with-springs, getting the old bolts out after loosening with a hammer and a MAP gas torch. With bolts removed and laying under the van, I simply put a foot on the muffler (again AWD so inline muffler) and pushed the tailpipe towards the rear of the van, opening enough gap to clear the old gasket remnants and seat the new gasket, and then threaded the shoulder bolts and springs (also Rock Auto, AP Exhaust) and closed the exhaust leak. The AP Exhuast springs were much more compressed than the OEM ones when tightened FWIW.

All in, it was maybe 4.5 hrs of work at a moderate pace. The key was knowing in detail the guts of the front end of the car (through long ownership of the same vehicle) and soaking all of the motor mount studs a week or two ahead of time--multiple times in possible--with penetrating oil. Made removal of all the the nuts possible without breakage.

Next project is full front suspension renewal: struts, strut bearings, mounts, isolators, sway bar bushings, end links, and lower ball joints. Will post about that later this month.
 
#3 ·
I appreciate you taking the time to post this since I am about to start this project myself.

I was wondering, why did you remove the "upper and lower air intakes, the battery, loosened the bracket that anchors the air-filter box, and removed the top "banjo" mount by removing the two bolts that pass through the rubber bushings at the head and tail of the banjo"? Was this to allow the engine to move around?
 
#4 ·
I changed all four motor mounts on my 2004 Sienna CE FWD. It was my first time doing this. I thought I would share my experience in case it’s helpful.

As the OP says, you should jack up the car and put it on jack stands. Then place the jack under the engine with a block of wood to protect the engine, in a place that can support its weight. Jack up the engine just enough to support it while you’re removing the bolts.

I started with the lower rear mount on the driver’s side. I took off the wheel and removed a plastic shield from the wheel well (held on by two 10mm bolts) that was partly in the way so I could get a ratchet on the top bolt of the mount. The top bolt came off using a cheater bar, without too much trouble (as did the bolts on all the mounts). You have to remove round plastic plugs to reach two of the bottom bolts which go through the frame. The third bottom bolt is not covered.

Getting the bolts off was the easy part. The problem was raising the engine enough so that the top and bottom bolts of the motor mount would clear the frame and the engine, so I could get it out. I was afraid to raise the engine too high for fear of stretching the wires and hoses that are attached to the engine.

Eventually I decided to remove the windshield wipers, wiper motor and cowl assembly (not as hard as it seems if you have diagrams), to provide more clearance to raise the engine. In the end, I realized that it might have helped if I had remove the top engine motor mount (passenger side) as well, which was making it hard to raise the engine since it was holding the engine in place. So, my suggestion is to remove the top motor mount first (as noted in the OP). It comes off pretty easily with just two bolts holding it in.

Anyway, after raising the engine a little at a time and fiddling around with the mount, eventually I got it clear. Surprisingly, the new mount went in more easily than the old one came out. It threaded the nuts on partially but didn’t tighten them, so that it wouldn’t prevent the engine from rising when I tried to remove the other mounts.

Next I did the lower rear mount on the passenger side. Basically the same procedure, but this one came out more easily – once I removed the top motor mount, which is directly above it. If you don’t remove the top mount, then when you jack up the engine the whole car starts to rise. I learned this from experience.

Finally I did the single front motor mount. The top bolt was not hard to reach using a series of extensions totaling about 15 inches in length. The bottom ones are easy. I did not remove the battery or air intake as the OP says to do. But one thing that was in the way, preventing me from removing the mount, was the radiator hose. Eventually I was able to wrestle it out without removing the hose; but I couldn’t get the new mount in with the hose in the way. So I disconnected the hose, which of course drained the radiator. At this point I said what the heck, I might as well drain and replace the engine coolant while I’m at it, which I did.

With the radiator hose disconnected, I was able to get the new mount in fairly easily. I did have to remove the nuts from the lower rear driver’s side mount (which I had screwed on loosely), to allow the engine to rise enough to clear the bolts on the front mount.

Last of all I installed the new top mount, which went in easily.

In summary, it’s a fairly straightforward job and the bolts are not that difficult to access or remove, which was my biggest concern going in. The hardest part is making enough space to get the mounts in and out.
 
#5 ·
Please remind everyone if you don't want the car to turn into a fire ball. The engine lifting is a dangerous work due to Toyota's design making the starter motor (+) connection/wire just right below the metal bracket (-) bolted to body. You just have a tiny space there, and when you lift the engine, the (+) very likely will run into and short with (-) It is critical to remove the bracket and disconnect the battery. To do that, the air cleaner box need to be removed, just take 10 mins to safe your life. Disconnect the battery for any work. I think Toyota shall apologize for their dangerous design. Engine movement shall not ever causing a electrical ground.
 
#6 ·
"I removed the upper and lower air intakes, the battery, loosened the bracket that anchors the air-filter box, and removed the top "banjo" mount by removing the two bolts that pass through the rubber bushings at the head and tail of the banjo."

I cannot find this banjo bolt. I have removed all as Vantastico describes. I need to lift the engine to remove trans oil pan and have loosened all motor mounts to allow engine to move up. It still attached to something seems like. sorry for digging old thread up.
 
#7 ·
I removed the upper and lower air intakes, the battery, loosened the bracket that anchors the air-filter box, and removed the top "banjo" mount by removing the two bolts that pass through the rubber bushings at the head and tail of the banjo.
I cannot find this banjo bolt. I have removed all as Vantastico describes. I need to lift the engine to remove trans oil pan and have loosened all motor mounts to allow engine to move up. It still attached to something seems like. sorry for digging old thread up...