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I never suggested that everyone should buy a fully loaded Sienna or the most expensive trim Sienna. Also, if you look at the brand new prices on all trims and compare them with the used prices, the price difference isn’t much. The only reason why I recommend buying brand new is only because the used car prices for the Sienna on all trim levels is not much of a difference than the price of a new Sienna. Wouldn’t it be more logical to buy new with zero miles on the vehicle if the new price is a few grand more than buying used?
Talk about the reclining middle seats. They sure look comfortable. But they affect the way to carry the spare tire?
 
Talk about the reclining middle seats. They sure look comfortable. But they affect the way to carry the spare tire?
Depends on what you have. They did on the older models… the spare was accessed through the floor panel between the first and second row of seats. My seats tilted on my 2012 and I didn’t have a problem. But if you have ottomans on the recliners I can definitely see it blocking that access lug. In the new Sienna’s, unless you pay extra.. there is no spare…you get a can of tire inflator. We lost the 8th seat between the 2 rear seats because the storage for the 8th seat on the side panel behind the 3rd seat is where the spare is stored now.
 
We purchased a 2022 LE and traded for a 2023 XLE. While we enjoy the moonroof, I don’t care for the softex seats on the XLE. The main complaints I had for the LE were the lack of lumbar support and no integrated garage door opener. I did not notice a difference in how far the middle row would slide backwards. I want to say they are the same.
 
The middle seats shouldn’t be removed because they have airbags inside of them. You will void the warranty if you remove them. Get the XLE better. The XLE is your best choice.
I don’t like sunroof either. But my car has a sunroof or moonroof whatever they called it. It’s been eight years. The sunroof never had any leak.
 
When we decided to replace our 2000 Sienna (which we probably should have kept) I ruled out the new Siennas due to their butt-ugly front end and total lack of ground clearance. Then I found out about the lift kits and decided to pursue a new Sienna despite the ugly grill. As I learned more about the new models I knew that only an LE would work since we dislike leather or leatherette seats. Cloth seats are the most comfortable for us. I also didn't like the idea of the non-removable center seats until I discovered the Brads Hacks dongle and simply accepted the fact that I would have to figure out how to cover the seat trollies. Seems like nearly a year went by and all I was seeing were very dark colored vans with very dark interiors. That's a turn off. Then before taking a spin to a nearby town I checked the local Toyota dealer website and saw 2 Siennas for sale. We stopped on the way and saw one in the lot. The other had just sold. We immediately agreed this year-old low mileage 2022 silver AWD Sienna LE was going home that night. I made it more expensive by installing a 2" lift and a spare tire. When it got home I removed the non-removable seats, plugged in the dongle and covered the trollies. MPG is great. With the rear seats folded down we have 4'x8' sheet goods capacity. Now I hope we get 20 more years and many hundreds of thousand miles of dependable drive time.
 
When we decided to replace our 2000 Sienna (which we probably should have kept) I ruled out the new Siennas due to their butt-ugly front end and total lack of ground clearance. Then I found out about the lift kits and decided to pursue a new Sienna despite the ugly grill. As I learned more about the new models I knew that only an LE would work since we dislike leather or leatherette seats. Cloth seats are the most comfortable for us. I also didn't like the idea of the non-removable center seats until I discovered the Brads Hacks dongle and simply accepted the fact that I would have to figure out how to cover the seat trollies. Seems like nearly a year went by and all I was seeing were very dark colored vans with very dark interiors. That's a turn off. Then before taking a spin to a nearby town I checked the local Toyota dealer website and saw 2 Siennas for sale. We stopped on the way and saw one in the lot. The other had just sold. We immediately agreed this year-old low mileage 2022 silver AWD Sienna LE was going home that night. I made it more expensive by installing a 2" lift and a spare tire. When it got home I removed the non-removable seats, plugged in the dongle and covered the trollies. MPG is great. With the rear seats folded down we have 4'x8' sheet goods capacity. Now I hope we get 20 more years and many hundreds of thousand miles of dependable drive time.
Congratulations on the find. They’re rare. Where are you stowing the spare? We had to give up the 8th seat to get the spare (it‘s storage is in the rear corner panel). The 2025‘s seem a lot higher than the 2012 it’s replacing (which is now my car). The 2012 Is silver so my wife decided to go with a midnight blue, which is really dark. So now we have 2 Siennas… (I didn’t keep it for any other reason that I expected it to last longer than my 2011 Nissan Cube even though the Cube had 50k less mileage plus my wife will actually drive it.) I WFH, so the car gets driven maybe once a month). Funny how you hated the grill, my exterior turn off was the foo manchu tail lights.. I thought they were gone but on a dark car they’re not noticable. Best of luck with it.
 
Our new Sienna was the dealer rental for those who were getting their car serviced. The dealer tinted the front driver/passenger windows to match the tinted rear side windows, installed all-weather floor mats and front seat heaters. Also applied clear film to the front end to prevent rock chips. I popped for the spare tire interior panel and a jack. The spare tire is a high pressure compact. It's a nice clean set up. Our new German Shepherd loves riding on the back seat.
 
Our new Sienna was the dealer rental for those who were getting their car serviced. The dealer tinted the front driver/passenger windows to match the tinted rear side windows, installed all-weather floor mats and front seat heaters. Also applied clear film to the front end to prevent rock chips. I popped for the spare tire interior panel and a jack. The spare tire is a high pressure compact. It's a nice clean set up. Our new German Shepherd loves riding on the back seat.
I think that’s one of the reasons my Cube lasted so long. It was a runner/loaner for the dealer. Everyone else I know with a Cube had tranny problems at 50-75k miles. Mine was fine. Good luck with your car. We bought the weather proof mats and I want the dash cam and wife has vetoed so far.
 
So, the most viable solution is a minivan. There are only 4 models left in the US market - the Sienna, the Odyssey, the Carnival, and the Pacifica, and the Sienna....
There are a couple of other van options to explore: GMC Savannah, Chevy Express, Ford Transit and the much more expensive Mercedes Sprinter (gas or EV), Ford e-Transit, and Ram ProMaster EV.

These are marketed primarily as cargo panel vans but some (or all?) also come in passenger van versions.

These are limited production vehicles so you may have a hard time finding one to test drive and might require a special order. They are lightly reviewed but some digging might yield an attractive alternative. Here's a little info on couple of examples:

 
There are a couple of other van options to explore: GMC Savannah, Chevy Express, Ford Transit and the much more expensive Mercedes Sprinter (gas or EV), Ford e-Transit, and Ram ProMaster EV.

These are marketed primarily as cargo panel vans but some (or all?) also come in passenger van versions.

These are limited production vehicles so you may have a hard time finding one to test drive and might require a special order. They are lightly reviewed but some digging might yield an attractive alternative. Here's a little info on couple of examples:

Larger alternatives are something to consider. Of those you listed, the Promaster is by far the most popular. It's relatively cheap to buy and maintain (although not particularly reliable long term). It is also the widest which is very important for a camper conversion. However, most of the vans listed are too tall to fit in a standard garage is a nonstarter for me. You left out the Metris. Although it is no longer in production, they were such slow sellers due to the high price a few new or very low mileage units are still out there. The Sprinter is the most expensive van to buy and maintain long term and also relatively unreliable. (In spite of the rabid following they have.)
 
After dealing with wheelchairs for the last 30 years, I recommend buying a used wheelchair minivan. If you want the wheelchair bound person to be able to ride next to the driver, buy a manual side entry. The downside to a side entry is you need at least 8 feet of space to the right of the van to get the wheelchair into the van. If you don’t mind having the wheelchair bound person riding behind the driver, buy a manual rear entry. The rear entry van can use any parking spot except a spot requiring parallel parking.

A wheelchair minivan has the ramp built in so no ramp to store. Since you are worried about the sun roof have bright white car wrap installed on top of the sunroof glass.

I am currently driving a rear entry 2024 Sienna.
 
My choice of XLE over LE was the inclusion of parking sensors and rear cross braking (not sure if they are std on LE in latest models, but were not in 2023). A big vehicle can be nasty to parallel park, so they are needed, not really optional in modern cars. Can't retrofit, I believe. Once you ding the LE parking, you may as well have gone for the XLE.
 
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I doubt that a different wheelchair will fit inside the Sienna. She’s better off getting the Honda Odyssey which she can remove the middle seats entirely so she can fit the wheelchair inside the vehicle.
I'm not even remotely considering the Odyssey, it's still equipped with an old-technology non-Hybrid V6 powertrain; the fuel economy is terrible, and we live in California; our gas is like a full buck a gallon more than everywhere else except Alaska and Hawaii. It's $4.50/gallon for regular right now; I got gas this morning, and that's what I had to pay. Given the same amount of driving, a Sienna will save about $1,500 in fuel cost per year compared to an Odyssey; enough to pay for the insurance premium more or less.
 
Carnival has a brand-new powertrain for 2025, which means there's no history as to how reliable it is (or isn't)
From what I've read of the actual driving experience of the Carnival hybrid, it's a freak show. You have the following complications:
  • The turbo, whether you're on boost or not, affecting power delivery
  • The hybrid system affecting power delivery
  • The conventional automatic transmission gear-hunting and affecting power delivery
I would not want to experience it. Nor am I particularly fond of Kia's reputation for reliability in engines, transmissions, or especially turbocharged engines. Then there's the ongoing ICCU issues on the Kia/Hyundai EVs so I have some concerns with regards to their high-voltage electronics...
 
I live in Chandler AZ, so I completely agree with all your points on sun roofs. Unfortunately, sun roofs come standard on lots of vehicles now. We have a completely different issue with the lower trims, we have a very tight garage so we really need the power folding mirrors. They are only available on the Limited and Platinum trim levels. Otherwise, we would much prefer buying the XLE.
Folding mirrors are available on the xse with premium package. I have them on my ‘25 xse.
 
After dealing with wheelchairs for the last 30 years, I recommend buying a used wheelchair minivan. If you want the wheelchair bound person to be able to ride next to the driver, buy a manual side entry. The downside to a side entry is you need at least 8 feet of space to the right of the van to get the wheelchair into the van. If you don’t mind having the wheelchair bound person riding behind the driver, buy a manual rear entry. The rear entry van can use any parking spot except a spot requiring parallel parking.

A wheelchair minivan has the ramp built in so no ramp to store. Since you are worried about the sun roof have bright white car wrap installed on top of the sunroof glass.

I am currently driving a rear entry 2024 Sienna.
Laura-Ann C, not sure where you are at financial wise purchasing a handicap accessible van, and not sure it is my place to say, but DaTank, who is a member of this forum, advised a couple of weeks ago??? that he was selling his 2022 Sienna with a handicap package. You may want to reach out to him for more details.
On another note, in retrospect if I could go back in time, I would have purchased an Sienna LE instead of the XLE and built it out the way it should have been instead of Toyota's way. I much prefer cloth seats over the softex and would prefer no sunroof and manual opening doors - van has already been in the shop due to the rear hatch getting stuck while opening. But a leather wrapped steering wheel was a must which starts on the XLE and all the other bells and whistles sure sounded good.
 
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