[fibber2]

Toyota reinforced the front corner structure for the 2015 MY in response to the offset test results, but time marches on and it's again behind the curve. Toyota could have put further development into this when they redid the schnoz, but might have felt that the falling sales numbers didn't justify the development, testing and re-certification process. Still, the overall results aren't bad - but not state-of-the-art.

 

[Steve In Denver]

I'm a bit surprised that these crash test results have not been mentioned before on this thread. Are crash test results unimportant to members here?
If Toyota does not improve crash safety for the 2020 Sienna, I will probably buy the Ascent to replace my aging Sienna.

For me space / cargo volume won out. We have a 2016 Subaru (and a 2007 before that), and we waited (not so patiently) for the Ascent. Once I got in and realized how small it was, I was pretty disappointed. (Not just the Ascent, but the Highlander, Pilot, CX9, etc. all too small) Two kids? Big enough. Three kids and a dog...Ascent just wasn't going to cut it.

Safety is usually at the front of the list for me, but when faced with buying a safer car that we outgrew a year before it was released, or a larger vehicle that wasn't a top safety pick...I went with the car that actually suited our needs, and gritted my teeth a bit. As others have pointed out, it's not that the Sienna is unsafe as much as it is an aging design.

I just bought a 2018, so I'm not in the market for a new car...but if the 2020 Sienna is a redesign and is a ton safer, I could see myself "trading up"...for the first time in my life.

 

[memeboy]

I am pretty sure that the 2020 Sienna will not be different in terms of safety. But I am pretty hopeful that the 2021 will be a big step up in safety. For the moment, and for the reasons of space mentioned above, I've decided not to buy the Ascent, despite the increased safety, and to keep driving my 2001 Sienna around town until the 2021 Sienna arrives (and rent something if I need to take to the highway). I'm going to be really disappointed if, after all this waiting, the 2021 Sienna is not generation 4 (and if Toyota does not give the steering wheel a lot more telescope).

 

[Crazyfingers]

Week ago-ish we had 2 inches of slush and I tried to get most of off the driveway but of course not all. Froze overnight to solid ice. Wife's 2011 AWD Sienna had no problem getting up our uphill driveway. Always used to have problems with the old FWD Sienna 2004.

 

[2018 XLE]

Week ago-ish we had 2 inches of slush and I tried to get most of off the driveway but of course not all. Froze overnight to solid ice. Wife's 2011 AWD Sienna had no problem getting up our uphill driveway. Always used to have problems with the old FWD Sienna 2004.

Good to hear. We have a 4Runner and a new Sienna AWD. Have not found enough snow to see how the Sienna does. Stopped on a small patch of ice last week and it drove right out.