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TPMS Sensors Programmed Automagically?

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#1 ·
Today I went to a tire shop with self provided TPMS sensors for my 2012 Sienna. They charged me $116 for the labor (install, re-balance, and programming attempt on all 4). I bought a 4 pack of OEM sensors (P/N: 42607-0C070) off amazon for $50 new. So at this point I'm potentially saving hundreds but was still worried about the programming.

So at the end of the day I go to pick up the van and the service adviser offered to walk out with me to see if the light is still on. It was. He then tried to program them himself and none of the sensors were responding. Of course at this point I'm having deep regrets about the whole thing. So I leave for the dealer and after a few mins on the road the light goes out. I go straight home to scan them myself and I can see all the live data - 35ish PSI per wheel. So all are working perfectly.

I call the service adviser back and he thinks they must have "self programmed".

Is that a thing for 3rd gen Siennas if you use OEM? They can self learn/program new sensors without any intervention?

Or could it be his tech actually did program them successfully, just needed to drive a little to clear the light. Which would also mean the service adviser has a faulty scanner.
 
#2 ·
The tech obviously was successful in uploading the new pressure sensor ID's to the vehicle ECM. There is no "self programming" - I wish there was! The warning light in the instrument cluster doesn't go out until the vehicle is driven a variable distance. That's the way it works every time I do my summer/winter wheel changeover and after I upload the sensor ID's for the wheels I just installed. The warning light usually goes out after driving only a couple of blocks.
 
#4 ·
What Geezer said, but with a little additional data....

How fast the light goes out seems to depend on what tool you are using to upload the new codes.

Our (Geezer and my) older ATEQ Quickset loaded the new codes over the old codes, but seemed to do no self test of the system. So it takes a few blocks (to up to a half mile) of driving for the sensors to communicate with the TPMS control unit, and for the control unit to digest and verify that all was OK, and to turn off the light.

My new Autel TS-508 uploads the new codes but also does a general system check and reports on any faults. My assumption is that it initiates the low frequency query (it pings the wheel sensors and requests data), verifies that all is OK, and then turns off the light immediately.

So I never see a light when I use the Autel, but always have to drive for a bit with the ATEQ. The end result is the same.
 
#5 ·
I am trying to summarize knowledge about TPMS as of January 2020
As Geerer1 and fibber2 seem to be the TPMS gurus here.
We know that tools mentioned(Autel/Ateq) can be used to program new TPMS sensor IDs into the car

Did hours of research for other options,so here the questions to answer

1.is there a known Software/mobile App+ OBD plug solution to TPMS programming?
—OBD Fusion?
— Totque Pro -(android)
—Carista shows the process on Toyota in YouTube video, but it seem to work only for some models—-if checked on Carista web for Sienna features -the option for TPMS is not supported= Does it mean no OBD App can probably do it?

2. TechStream can do it?via cable and PC .also I am trying to research wireless or wired “mobile=cell phone= iPhone or Android solution for TechSteam...does it exist?..any pointers are welcome

Thank you

What Geezer said, but with a little additional data....

How fast the light goes out seems to depend on what tool you are using to upload the new codes.

Our (Geezer and my) older ATEQ Quickset loaded the new codes over the old codes, but seemed to do no self test of the system. So it takes a few blocks (to up to a half mile) of driving for the sensors to communicate with the TPMS control unit, and for the control unit to digest and verify that all was OK, and to turn off the light.

My new Autel TS-508 uploads the new codes but also does a general system check and reports on any faults. My assumption is that it initiates the low frequency query (it pings the wheel sensors and requests data), verifies that all is OK, and then turns off the light immediately.

So I never see a light when I use the Autel, but always have to drive for a bit with the ATEQ. The end result is the same.
 
#6 ·
I recently purchased but have not yet installed a copy of TechStream and a Mongoose-knockoff cable. Others have reported successfully viewing and amending the stored table with the sensor hex ID codes. So that should work. Hoping to get it operational this weekend....

I also have an AutoEnginuity package, but only purchased Generic OBD support. I understand that the make-specific packages that you can add for an additional cost do support TPMS programming.

No data on the others you mentioned.
 
#7 ·
Let us know about Techstream progress
I did the same..ordered cable etc

Would you mind to share :
1.what cable did u decide to buy

2.i read about lot of installation trouble on PC , especially win 10 64bit
If u CAN and want briefly share how u went about instalation . I know the install can be “ shady”
 
#9 ·
If you get a chance, fibber, after you get Techstream set up, see if it can read the TPMS ECU on your RAV4. My old, cheap, copycat cable, that I paid $12 for, 10 years ago, has allowed me reprogram sensor data on my 2010 Prius and 2018 Sienna, but it won't interface with my 2020 Prius TPMS ECU. This revised system (communication protocol?) will likely be on the next generation of Sienna.
 
#10 ·
What I've heard with the knock off Techstream on Windows 10 is that the step where you use a different software to see if the drivers installed correctly never shows success and/or doesn't work. The way I understand it is if you follow the rest of the instructions exactly that Techstream will work when you run it. YMMV.

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#11 ·
I just thought I would add to this discussion. I have a 2016 sienna and installed a set of snow tires mounted on steel wheels. I decided to buy the Autel TS508 scan/program tool along with 4 of Autel's universal programmable TPMS sensors. I programmed the new sensors with the same digital ID numbers of the factory TPMS sensors mounted on my summer tires This programming technique is referred to as cloning. It worked perfectly and when I mounted my winter tires, the ECU thinks I still have my summer tires on so you don't have to go in and reprogram the ECU every time you swap from summer to winter wheels. Just thought you might be interested is this.
 
#17 ·
I just thought I would add to this discussion. I have a 2016 sienna and installed a set of snow tires mounted on steel wheels. I decided to buy the Autel TS508 scan/program tool along with 4 of Autel's universal programmable TPMS sensors. I programmed the new sensors with the same digital ID numbers of the factory TPMS sensors mounted on my summer tires This programming technique is referred to as cloning.
Last year I stepped up to the Autel TS508 and bought a set of MX Sensors. The process of cloning went well, and my kid's RAV4 didn't seem to know that anything changed when we put the new winter package on. Over time I plan to go the same way with the other 3 vehicles.
Question :

jmicket
What exatc Autel MX Sensors did you get for your steel wheels?

there seem to be some options
1.Screw in vs press in?(ias in mounting the sensor,not the stem)..the screw in option seem to be “new “

2.metal or rubber stem

3. did you go with the” 1-sensor“= universal= both frequency sensor
Or Did you go with the frequency specific Sensor(what is the proper frequency anyway? 2015 LE AwD(Autel Fitment Guide Shows both)


Same Question for fibber2
What did you buy for your “factory” wheels?

Supplemental question:
Do the Sensors come with all the hardware to install? I read / hear that some kind of “kit” might be needed(some seals , ?)
Should decent tire shop like Discount Tire be able to install the self provided Sensors?
 
#13 ·
jmicket: For years I was using an ATEQ Quickset and additional sets of OEM sensors for winter tires, and doing the seasonal swap and reprogramming. Last year I stepped up to the Autel TS508 and bought a set of MX Sensors. The process of cloning went well, and my kid's RAV4 didn't seem to know that anything changed when we put the new winter package on. Over time I plan to go the same way with the other 3 vehicles.
 
#14 ·
2006SiennaLE: Yes you can!

1) Real easy with NO modification required at all, but I don't recommend you go this way. The caps keep your Schrader valves in a permanently open state making leakage possible:


2) Close to OEM. Requires that you have the sensors inserted into your wheels, and a dash mounted box. In fact it's better than the TRW OE system used on the Sienna, as it has real-time readouts!

 
#16 ·
Back to OP's situation, the HEX codes were uploaded but sometimes the sensors need to be "awaken" by a test tool or 50PSI+ of air.

Also for $116 to install and program, thats normal price to get tires done at most places. Seeing as they have to dismount and remount plus balance to get sensors on, the price is in the ballpark.
 
#18 ·
I wasn't happy with the set of "press in" sensors that I ordered. The fit just didn't feel right, and a local shop generally advised against the design as they had concerns about whether there was sufficient grip. I ended up returning them in favor of the newer design where they went back to a screw.

I don't think they make the single frequency units any longer. Everything new appears to be the smaller body dual frequency module.

I can't find my last order, but they were identical to these: https://www.amazon.com/Autel-Progra...4d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=BYE5V0ECNW84FY5PCQD1&psc=1&refRID=BYE5V0ECNW84FY5PCQD1
 
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