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Ground clearance on the 2021 hybrid sienna

Hi trying to increase the ground clearance on the 2021 hybrid sienna for brief stretches of back roads that require a slightly higher ground clearance than stock. The last article I read from 2015 mentioned installing taller coils on the back but it wasn’t so easy on the front it said. Has...

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and this one has photos of my 2” lift with stock tires.

2" Lift Install

Just got the Journey's 2" kit install done at HID Kit Pros in Bellevue, WA. Got my EcoHitch clearance from just about 9 3/4" to nearly 12"! After Photos (front, front wheel, side door kick sensor, rear wheel, eco hitch) all on passenger side. They had zero issues with alignment and did the...

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Added to the thread. Thank you!

 

I'm having my lift installed by Kendall Toyota of Bend in July. I'll post before and after photos and relevant pricing information here when done!

 

You’re lucky to live near Kendall Toyota. I’ve checked out their JOR Lift YouTube videos. Looks like they have the process ironed out.

 

Following. Thanks for creating this thread. Perhaps one of the mods could pin it to the top?

For those that installed the lift, what is the max HEIGHT tire that would fit a 2" lift with room for cables (not chains)?

 

Thank you. Hopefully we can get it pinned.

For the tire clearance inquiry, I’d call Journeys direct to verify:

Contact

We pride ourselves on offering customer service 7 days a week. We try our best to make sure every customer gets their questions answered and if it is something we can help with we are happy to do it!...

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I installed the 3" on my 2022 Woodland. Photos are shown at this link: Air Bag suspension kit for 2022 XLE AWD?

 

We are debating this on our new Woodland. Have you have any issues? Some say doing this on teh woodland should only be the 2" due to the longer springs in the woodland.

 

I’ve been considering either the Journeys Offroad (JOR) 2” or 3” lift for my 4th Gen Sienna.

Product webpage:

2021+ 4th Gen Sienna Lift Kits

Check below for photos and downloadable instructions for the installation of the 2021-2025 Toyota Sienna Hybrid - 3" Lift Kit.

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There are a handful of threads in the 4th Gen forum regarding this lift - I’d like to start an all encompassing thread that not only lists all of these existing resources, but also captures in a single place as many photos and as much info as possible regarding the lift - specifically before/after install photos, installation pricing/info, and general user feedback. I think a thread like this would be very helpful for Sienna owners like myself who are considering installing this lift and are trying to make a well-informed decision.

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4th Gen JOR lift owners - if you could follow the below general format (my example responses in italics) in your initial post to this thread, I’d appreciate it. This will allow you to showcase your modified Sienna and should preemptively answer a lot of questions from prospective JOR customers.

Example:

• Trim level: Limited AWD
• Model year: 2022
• 2” or 3” Lift: 3”
• Wheel/Tire model and size installed: OEM Wheels P235/60R18; no wheel spacers
• Shop that conducted the install w/ location (if applicable): Joe’s 4x4 Shop - Denver, CO (ask for John); Joe’s is a JOR recommended installer
• Install labor/materials cost (if you mind sharing): $1,700 out the door
• Before lift install photos: (if you have them) *Photos inserted here
• Post lift install photos: (a few different angles would be helpful) *Photos inserted here
• User feedback / thoughts: Lost approximately 2 MPG per tank; glad I went with the 3” over the 2” - the added ground clearance is very useful; van body rolls a bit more in turns, but manageable

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Existing JOR thread list

Below is a list of existing threads that discuss the 4th Gen JOR Lift Kit. If I missed a thread, or if another one pops up, please let me know and I’ll add it:

2" Lift Install

Just got the Journey's 2" kit install done at HID Kit Pros in Bellevue, WA. Got my EcoHitch clearance from just about 9 3/4" to nearly 12"! After Photos (front, front wheel, side door kick sensor, rear wheel, eco hitch) all on passenger side. They had zero issues with alignment and did the...

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New lift, wheels/tires and brush bar installed

Just had JOR 3” lift kit installed along with Fifteen52 Traverse MX 17x8 wheels/ 235 75 17 wildpeaks, and a Black Horse front runner.

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Journey lift 2in clunk sound

Hi, I had an off road company install the journey 2” lift for my 2022 and immediately after driving off I started hearing clunking noise from front left driver side. It doesn’t seem to be speed related and not ditch or pot hole related. So it’s kind of random. I do believe at low speed maybe...

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Spacer Lift Kits - RisingTuning? Journey's? Traxda?

Hello everyone, I am doing some research, as my wife and I are planning to purchase a new Sienna soon. We recently rented a 22' Toyota Highlander and quickly realized that although the car had a lot of good things to like, it lacks the room that we need for our growing family. The only thing...

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Fuel economy with 2” lift kit.

I got a Journeys Offroad 2” lift kit on my AWD XLE installed last fall along with snow tires. I wasn’t sure how it would affect the mileage. I just finished my first tank with summer tires. This was mixed country driving with some city and some highway, and about 1/4 with a canoe on top. I...

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Maximum Tire Diameter For 3 Inch Journeys Offroad Lift?

Hi Gang - Apologies if this has already been asked for the 4th gen forum, but I'm just about to invest in some all terrain tires after my 3 inch Journeys Offroad lift is installed and I wanted to make sure my tires will fit since I'm being told repeatedly by online retailers that they won't...

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Ground clearance on the 2021 hybrid sienna

Hi trying to increase the ground clearance on the 2021 hybrid sienna for brief stretches of back roads that require a slightly higher ground clearance than stock. The last article I read from 2015 mentioned installing taller coils on the back but it wasn’t so easy on the front it said. Has...

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Toyota Sienna Lift Kits>2021Toyota Sienna AWD -...

4th Gen Toyota Sienna AWD EV 3" Lift Kit (journeysoffroad.com)

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Thank you in advance to the community for your help and support. If anyone has a suggestion to improve this thread, please let me know. I welcome the feedback.

-Steve

2022 Sienna Limited AWD Hybrid
Journeys 3” lift
Firestone Airbags
Sumo coil spring bushing mid front spring mount
Nitto Nomad Grappler (XL) 1 size taller tires, no rub & no spacers.
Factory wheels- Removed chrome hubcaps using 2-3’ construction pry bars. Black Aluminum wheels under chrome hubcaps
Eco hitch
Wilco off-road hitch swing out

ALL modifications and upgrades were performed by myself. If you have a little mechanical background and take your time and don’t get frustrated easily, the parts install very straightforward.
Did not notice any difference in mileage drop, due in part to the tires that were installed being an XL rated. The XL stands for extra load, so it is a slight bit stiffer than the sponge factory tires therefore less roll resistance. No body roll with my set up, it drives like a sports car on mountain roads and that’s no joke. I take corners hard at times and forget my shepherds are in the midsection of my van, and when I realize I’m going into the corner, too hot and look back, my shepherds, are up against the door with that what the hell look on their face🤦‍♂️.

 

2022 Sienna Limited AWD Hybrid
Journeys 3” lift
Firestone Airbags
Sumo coil spring bushing mid front spring mount
Nitto Nomad Grappler (XL) 1 size taller tires, no rub & no spacers.
Factory wheels- Removed chrome hubcaps using 2-3’ construction pry bars. Black Aluminum wheels under chrome hubcaps
Eco hitch
Wilco off-road hitch swing out

ALL modifications and upgrades were performed by myself. If you have a little mechanical background and take your time and don’t get frustrated easily, the parts install very straightforward.
Did not notice any difference in mileage drop, due in part to the tires that were installed being an XL rated. The XL stands for extra load, so it is a slight bit stiffer than the sponge factory tires therefore less roll resistance. No body roll with my set up, it drives like a sports car on mountain roads and that’s no joke. I take corners hard at times and forget my shepherds are in the midsection of my van, and when I realize I’m going into the corner, too hot and look back, my shepherds, are up against the door with that what the hell look on their face🤦‍♂️.

Thank you for sharing - very helpful info and user experience. Those are some tired looking pups

I know you have a Limited, but this is how the Woodland edition should look and the stance it should have from the factory, IMO.

 

Would love more details on how you removed the glued on caps and close ups of the wheels underneath?

 

You need at minimum (1) 3’ pry bar Home Depot. You will have to place something plastic ( Scraper in paint Dept. between the tire & lip of wheel to slide the pry bar in a little at a time. As you pry, start rotating around whole hubcap to loosen. The industrial grade adhesive holding the chrome hubcaps is insane. You may think you’re doing a CrossFit workout on the removal work🤷‍♂️🤣🤣.
I have other project Toyotas as well therefore I am in no rush to track the necessary info as to how much heat I can apply with a heat gun for adhesive removal. I have been told by onlookers that the adhesive on the wheels gives it an off-road look🤷‍♂️.

 

@RCP2013 - thank you for the pics. Th wheels on our '21 Platinum are my biggest pet peeve. I am on the fence with how the adhesive looks, and if you ever try to remove the adhesive - I would want to hear your thoughts on how it went.

 

I will probably try and contact a few Powdercoat companies and we’ll companies as well to try to determine how much heat I can apply here soon maybe in the next few weeks.
With the lift, I was able to go up one size on the tires.
The tires I got are a game changer, they are the Nitto nomad Grappler. These tires initially were designed to put on the adventure versions of the Subarus.
No road noise from these tires a little stiffer side wall so reduced body roll and on the road or on trails they are pretty phenomenal I have to say.

 

@admin or @fibber2 - any chance we can get the above airbag-related posts (from pp. 1-2 of this thread) removed from this thread and consolidated into one of the 4th Gen Sienna helper airbag related threads? This is great and very helpful content that would prove to be extremely useful for someone planning/researching an airbag install into a 4th Gen; however, despite its value, this content is a bit off topic for this specific thread discussing JOR 4th Gen Sienna lift kits. Just a thought that I think would help to structure the 4th Gen vehicle modification content on this forum.

 

I can't tonight, but let me look at it later in the week.

 

@yonah I gave this some thought, but don't see a compelling reason to strip the airbag content. I did, however, copy the Firestone airbag-related posts from here to this thread (2021 Sienna LE FWD with helper bags / air springs installed) for cross-reference.

As per the above discussion, there is an interest in exploring and possibly applying combination techniques, and there is certainly enough interest in both of these to warrant keeping them as-is. And now that we have linked them, it will remain a great resource for members interested in one or both.

There have been other discussions about Journey kits in the past. If you are really worried about structure and flow of discussions keeping it all in one place, we could combine all of these discussions into a brand new tread. Or just leave it as it plays out. I don't believe that anyone will have trouble finding or following your content.

Thanks for your interest and assistance to the community.

 

Any feedback on whether upgrading from LE 17's to 18's would help much with a tighter ride? Im thinking of plus-sizing the tires and afraid the JOR lift + taller sidewall would add too much body roll.

 

No added sway or delayed response in handling with the lift and the size tires on my stock 18 inch wheels that came with my van.
Notice they are an XL load rated.
With the listed tires, my van is much more responsive and my German shepherds, that ride in the midsection can attest to that on mountain road driving🤷‍♂️😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

No added sway or delayed response in handling with the lift and the size tires on my stock 18 inch wheels that came with my van.
Notice they are an XL load rated.
With the listed tires, my van is much more responsive and my German shepherds, that ride in the midsection can attest to that on mountain road driving🤷‍♂️😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What are you seeing MPG-wise? I'm leaning towards Falken wildpeak AT, I think they would be lighter (just a guess), but the Nittos do look nice.

 

I do a long commute for work, almost 6 hours from Southern California to the bay area twice a month. I generally run between 75 to 85 mph and my mileage in the 80s is an about the 27 to 28 range.
Driving 65 to 70 with two German shepherds, and the general things that are in the back of my van, see attached pic, I get in the 34 to 36 mpg range.

What is the load rating on sidewall of model you are looking at?
P-load, XL-load, C, D, E?

I am going to run the Falkens on my first GEN crew, cab, 4 x 4 tundra, but I did not see the size I was looking for with the exact load I preferred for the sienna.

 

SL for the Falkens. The AT3W's are XL but a few lbs heavier.

Not sure what size to go with if I stick with 17s.. 235/70/17 would be the logical choice, 1" taller that stock but Falken nor Nitto's are available in that size.

 

When I was doing my research and narrowed it down to the Nitto Nomad Grappler, I felt that America’s tire had the best pricing with more than enough selection.
I just did a quick search on that size you have listed 235/70/17, I saw several decent choices in the XL load rating with great mileage warranty.
I would’ve preferred 17 inch with minimum one size taller profile for my tires to give me that added cushion when I am on trails but I am happy with the set up I have as well.

 

I am also interested in the 3" lift kit.

Just talked with Kendall Toyota, and a tech told me that SOME Siennas develop a slight shimmy in the steering wheel as a result of this lift. He said it is not fixable.

Anybody experienced this ?

Any info / thoughts appreciated.

 

On my 2022 limited all wheel drive hybrid, I had to replace the linkage a due to knocking profusely. The knocking started after putting about 7000 miles on the van post lift. It would get so loud. It sounded like the suspension was going to come apart while driving.

When I contacted journeys off road, which took several calls, because they did not reply to my message, they claimed they were unaware of any issues?
I ordered my replacement linkage directly from Moog and I no longer have the knocking that I had with the originals that came with the kit.

 

I am also interested in the 3" lift kit.

Just talked with Kendall Toyota, and a tech told me that SOME Siennas develop a slight shimmy in the steering wheel as a result of this lift. He said it is not fixable.

Anybody experienced this ?

Any info / thoughts appreciated.

On my 2022 limited all wheel drive hybrid, I had to replace the linkage a due to knocking profusely. The knocking started after putting about 7000 miles on the van post lift. It would get so loud. It sounded like the suspension was going to come apart while driving.

When I contacted journeys off road, which took several calls, because they did not reply to my message, they claimed they were unaware of any issues?
I ordered my replacement linkage directly from Moog and I no longer have the knocking that I had with the originals that came with the kit.

There was a good thread on the JOR lift for the 4th Gen on one of the FB 4th Gen Sienna groups (I think), or it may have been on the lifted Sienna FB Group - can’t remember.

Anyway, one of the guys in that thread is a SAE certified mechanic and a 4th Gen owner. He installed a 3” on his van and said the driveline components (I assume the CV shafts) were at a pretty extreme angle. I messaged him about it and he informed me he swapped out the 3” for the 2” kit as it seemed like a better long term compromise between lift height and longevity of driveline components. Something to consider.

I think that if I go the JOR route, I’ll probably do the same - 2” lift and stick with the OEM tire size, albeit with a slightly more durable/higher performance tire. I think a 2” + airbags in the rear will be a good fit for our family’s use case. Though the 3” lift with a slightly upsized tire looks excellent.

 

I am also interested in the 3" lift kit.

Just talked with Kendall Toyota, and a tech told me that SOME Siennas develop a slight shimmy in the steering wheel as a result of this lift. He said it is not fixable.

Anybody experienced this ?

Any info / thoughts appreciated.

Interesting, haven't seen any reports of this before (I imagine they would be posted here if anywhere). I believe JOR even mentioned at one point the driveline angles are less extreme on 4th gen than 3rd FWIW.

 

@yonah - thank you for sharing that.
It would be very helpful to find out the difference between the shaft angle with the 2" and 3" lifts, as opposed to the original OEM angle.

Will look more into this. Even though the CV axle replacement is nothing major ...

 

@RCP2013 - Please share what lift did you get (2" or 3"), how many miles with the lift, etc.
I understand you are also going offroad with the Sienna, how is it behaving (with the lift) ?
Thanks !

 

I went with the
journeys, off-road 3 inch lift
Fire stone airbags in the rear springs-fire stone does not make airbags for my 2022 limited all-wheel-drive hybrid. I sent them detailed pictures when I was able to get the airbags to work without any butchering of my vehicle. All those pictures are listed on this website because I shared them here as well.
I also have sumo spring bushings in the front springs to eliminate some of the SAG in the vehicle as well.
I also went with Nitto nomad grappler tires the XL load range. I was able to go up one size taller than the stock tires that came on my van. The tires equally make as much of a difference with regard to handling on and off road.
I posted on here the other day when somebody started a discussion about problems with the journey’s off-road lift. I posted my linkage that came with the lift started knocking on both sides at about 3500 miles or so. I contacted Moog direct and got replacement linkage and I put several miles on my van now with no more noise whatsoever.

My van sits just as high as a Subaru, if not higher and handles nicely on trails and on the highway.

 

Awesome, thank you RCP2013 !!!

 

You’re welcome!

 

@RCP2013 - just so I clear my head from misunderstanding:

you have an AWD 2022 Sienna ?

you bought sumo coils/spacers for the FWD 2022 Sienna front suspension, and installed them in the rear ? Or in the front ?

Thanks ! -- Sorry if I missed this info from other threads, I am reading a lot about this and might have mixed some details.

 

@RCP2013 - just so I clear my head from misunderstanding:

you have an AWD 2022 Sienna ?

you bought sumo coils/spacers for the FWD 2022 Sienna front suspension, and installed them in the rear ? Or in the front ?

Thanks ! -- Sorry if I missed this info from other threads, I am reading a lot about this and might have mixed some details.

No worries on asking questions, trust me I ask at times more than once you always want to confirm when you’re going to do an install especially. I bought the front wheel drive sumo bushings and installed them on my 2022 limited all wheel drive in the front. At the time last year, when I was looking for the sumo bushings, they did not make them or have them listed as fitting the all-wheel-drive. They fit fine, but they were unsure because there were changes to the van prior year.
The back I have Fire stone airbags.

 

@RCP2013 - Thank you for clarifying that.
I was looking for rear Sumo coils for an AWD LE.
I have very good experience with Sumo Springs on a 4Runner, excellent product.
I hope they make it for Sienna as well - they replace the factory bump stops, byt are longer and actually sit on the axles and act as a double-up spring. Very efficient and simple - no mainenance.

 

A recommendation if I may-
I would put the sumo spacers in the front and Fire stone airbags in the rear.
It’s not only going to help you in general at keeping the vehicle level and not sagging but also in the long run if you plan on keeping the vehicle, it will keep those coil springs in great condition for the long haul.

 

@RCP2013 - I am planning to go with your recommendation and do the 2" lift + Firestones in the rear.
Will talk to Kendall Toyota see what they say, and if they can install them together with the lift.

Somebody recommended AirLift airbags, they say they are "better" than Firestones ? Don't know much about this brand ...

 

Installing the bags during the lift install makes sense. Will probably add an hour or so to your bill.

I chose the Firestone bags as I like the countersunk/recessed push-fit air fitting that is vulcanized into the top of the bag. The Airlift bags have a nipple that protrudes out of the top of the bag and their supplied air line slides over it. Seems vulnerable, IMO, but that’s just me. I like push-fittings. If you seat the airline well into the fitting, you’ll have no issues. Push-fittings are very popular in the pneumatic industry for this reason.

 

@yonah -- thank you, that makes sense, ordered Firestones.