[Tahoe Toyota]

next to a 20 rav 4. Very similar.

 

[yonah]

Maybe more questions than answers. Does the price include the cost of the lift kit? How about the. Alignment? Convenient. Do you trust them with your..everything?
I think the quote for hours was eight. Going labor rate can vary. $250 an hour might be the going rate for your area. About $150 around here. Remember when labor was under $100. Also the variable nature of quotes . I have a $210 life time alignment appointment Wednesday. Not very convenient but all of my quotes did not include.
We had to have this done. The damage to the bottom and front from snow and ice was going to be extremely expensive.
Unfortunately sometimes expensive saves you money. This van was expensive and the lift is not offered as an option from our dealer. I wish Toyota would make the van higher off the road. T.R.D. Hello money here!! This is the only way to solve my problem with the vehicle. Absolutely love it with the lift.

$2k was the labor, alignment, etc. Everything minus the lift (parts). Which would push the total expenditure close to $3k after taxes. And this shop isn't exactly local, probably 90 mins away - one way. I lost interest after that. $1500-2k seems reasonable all in. At the end of the day, the tech is installing spring spacers.

I agree regarding the ride height. The Woodland's stance should be the standard, with the option to go maybe an inch higher. You're not the only one experiencing damage during the winter; lots of chatter about this on a few of the Sienna FB groups.

 

[Tahoe Toyota]

Luckily the kit is an even $575. No tax no shipping. Get one before they go up 🙃 Helps they would do the alignment. Continue looking for a mechanic that might be closer. Ask alignment shop or shop that does struts. . No tax on labor. My mechanic mentioned that a helper is useful when it comes to the springs. They can get dangerous. Just getting out the front struts is enough for me to throw in the towel. win the money game and do it at home.
Tires are also not cheap. You will be looking at them a lot more after the lift. Maybe stack some more on the pile and put tires in the quote somewhere might give you a group discount.
Another plus for us is the rear hatch is higher when open. No more ducking.

 

[Tahoe Toyota]

 

[Tahoe Toyota]

Finally finished. Two shops would not touch a custom. lifted alignment. They were afraid. Sunrise did the alignment but they were not willing to quote an estimate. Hourly only for custom lift. Out under two hours. Wasn’t that bad before but even better after. Now it’s Super Van. Beep beep.

 

[yonah]

This Sienna was posted on one of the FB Groups. Sharing here to add to the knowledge base. Per the post -- JOR 3" lift w/ Goodyear Workhorse AT 235/70R17 tires.

 

[Sienna.Guy]

The Woodland's stance should be the standard

Wondering what the part diff is. I read somewhere that a spring change is all that’s needed.

Then a tire update to 245/60’s and I’m good to go. Off-roading and beyond!

 

[yonah]

I’ll update the thread post-install with my experience, final cost, etc.

I’ll be visiting some local breweries, hiking, biking, and exploring the Deschutes while I’m there. Really looking forward to the trip!

@d3myk did you follow through on this plan for the JOR lift install at Kendall Toyota?

I ask as we’re planning a NorCal/Southern Oregon trip for next month and I’m considering a lift install at Kendall if we swing through Bend. Not completely sold on the idea, but the timing may work out.

Curious to hear your feedback as it will be a road trip for us as well.

EDIT: update, I didn't follow through with the install at Kendall Toyota. The service advisor that leads the JOR lift installs could not guarantee me a rental/loaner vehicle, so I opted to stick to our vacation agenda and not overcomplicate things (and increase costs) with a rental vehicle paid out-of-pocket.

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Also, for anyone else who went with Kendall Toyota for their JOR install, would like to hear your experience. What was the out the door price point?

 

[yonah]

@d3myk did you follow through on this plan for the JOR lift install at Kendall Toyota?

I ask as we’re planning a NorCal/Southern Oregon trip for next month and I’m considering a lift install at Kendall if we swing through Bend. Not completely sold on the idea, but the timing may workout.

Curious to hear your feedback as it will be a road trip for us as well.

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Also, for anyone else who went with Kendall Toyota for their JOR install, would like to hear your experience. What was the out the door price point?

Following up to this post. Spoke with the service lead at Kendall Toyota. She said they install these JOR lifts all the time. Install timeframe is 1.5 days and the current price point is $1,780 (parts + labor).

 

[Gcubed]

No worries on asking questions, trust me I ask at times more than once you always want to confirm when you’re going to do an install especially. I bought the front wheel drive sumo bushings and installed them on my 2022 limited all wheel drive in the front. At the time last year, when I was looking for the sumo bushings, they did not make them or have them listed as fitting the all-wheel-drive. They fit fine, but they were unsure because there were changes to the van prior year.
The back I have Fire stone airbags.

I’m not as familiar with this space and unsure whether the 1168 will or will not fit, but I have seen it confirmed before that the CSS-1195F definitely does

https://www.siennachat.com/threads/journeys-offroad-4th-gen-sienna-lift-kit-master-picture-resource-and-discussion-thread.73743/page-3?post_id=452569#post-45256

 

[Gcubed]

What model sump spacers did you use? I have a 2022 XLE AWD and was deciding between the 1168 or 1195 model. Thanks!

 

[frm]

No problem on sharing the info! Honestly don’t understand why more peeps don’t help others on the upgrade installation info.
A fire stone representative asked me to send him those detailed pictures because they do not make the bags for the all-wheel-drive hybrid as of yet.
The airbags went on, fairly simple, I just had to sit back and think it through. You do not have to remove your Springs.
That black tubing that you see on the top of the airbag, the air line is inside that fuel line, are used it for protection, going through the hole, where it is routed through to prevent any friction rubbing.
The sumo spacers, I drilled holes in them, so I could zip tie them on just like a pair I installed on my Toyota Highlander that came with the holes.

RCP2013, I have gone through all your documentation and I am going to follow your 'air hose on top' approach for my 2023 AWD; for reasons you have mentioned plus others. I find the air hose facing down with the 'puck' laying loose on top of the bladder and not secured at all NOT making sense. Thanks for sharing your findings on the forum. Its being your proven approach and I do not have to re-invent the solutions to install is saving everyone else lots of time and efforts. Again,

However, I do have a few questions to ask. I wish to appraise this approach a little more to see if we need to improve it just a little more:
1. I have carefully reviewed every photo you have posted. I think all the photos were taken with the rear spring fully extended as far as the shock absorber can mechanically extend. I notice there is an air gap (space) of about 1 to 2 inches (as shown on photo IMG_5678.jpeg) between the bumper base (with the rubber bumper removed) and the puck.
Question 1: Does the bladder under 5 psi expands to take up that air space? I mean, that air space is there when first installed and it will be gone once the air baldder is pumped up?
Question 2: I imagine, there is a possibility that when the vehicle is let off the jacks and standing on the tires, the rear spring will be compressed some to take out all or most of the airgap. What is your observation?
Question 3: If the situation described in Q2 is not happening, and there is always an airgap, that 1-2 inches of space is 1-2 inches of vehicle/spring sagging before the airback kicks in, you agree?
1.4 HOWEVER, if the airspace is permanent, when the Sienna is going through big bumps, there are moments that the vehicle is bouncing upward while the spring is fully extended when the tires hangs downward, and when the vehicle is coming back down compressing the spring and the bladder, I can see the air host being challenged to hold the puck in place and to glide through the holes/opening, both posting a risk of early failure. If that is the case, it may be time to encourage Firestone to device a longer bladder for the Sienna or a much taller puck to take up that space that is not taken out by the inflated bladder.

 

[yonah]

@frm

The spring compresses under the weight of the van to fully rest on the airbags / blue buffers(pucks).

I installed Firestone 4155 airbags about a year ago and detailed the process, step-by-step here:

https://www.siennachat.com/posts/454676/

I hope this helps.

 

[frm]

Thanks Yonah. I also have gone through your detailed documentation a while back and confused with RCP2013's documentation. With the 4155 in my hand already, both are helpful and yours actually more refined and the one I will follows when I finally find time.

You short answer has taken care of most of my questions. I take them to imply that your photo below is having the tire off the ground therefore the air space.

So the remining question is this: The bladder will not expand upward if the spring opens up. When the Sienna is going through big bumps, there are moments that the vehicle is bouncing upward while the spring is fully extended with the tires hanging downward, and when the vehicle is coming back down compressing the spring and the bladder, I can see the air hose being challenged to hold the puck in place and to glide through the holes/opening, both posting a risk of early failure. Is that a correct perception. Your adaptation is the best you can do already. I absolutely do not like pointing the nozzle downward with the air hose hanging 'under the belly' and the puck loose on top waiting to be lost or jammed.

However, I think I would still call Firestone and ask if they have or can device a longer length bladder for the Sienna, or offer a much taller puck to take up that space.

 

[yonah]

Thanks Yonah. I also have gone through your detailed documentation a while back and confused with RCP2013's documentation. With the 4155 in my hand already, both are helpful and yours actually more refined and the one I will follows when I finally find time.

You short answer has taken care of most of my questions. I take them to imply that your photo below is having the tire off the ground therefore the air space.
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So the remining question is this: The bladder will not expand upward if the spring opens up. When the Sienna is going through big bumps, there are moments that the vehicle is bouncing upward while the spring is fully extended with the tires hanging downward, and when the vehicle is coming back down compressing the spring and the bladder, I can see the air hose being challenged to hold the puck in place and to glide through the holes/opening, both posting a risk of early failure. Is that a correct perception. Your adaptation is the best you can do already. I absolutely do not like pointing the nozzle downward with the air hose hanging 'under the belly' and the puck loose on top waiting to be lost or jammed.

However, I think I would still call Firestone and ask if they have or can device a longer length bladder for the Sienna, or offer a much taller puck to take up that space.

Yes, this photo you attached is with the passenger side rear wheel/tire removed.

The puck has an indention in it so it sits flush against the air coupler side of the bag. The airline doesn't hold the puck in place. You're going to be very hard-pressed to reach full suspension droop (like what is experienced with the wheel removed and the vehicle on jacks) in a minivan. I wouldn't sweat it. I think I mentioned this in my write-up, but the biggest potential problem I see with the upward orientation is the airline runs the risk of being chaffed by the edges of the pass-through hole in the upper spring perch - the hole previously occupied by the jounce mounting bolt. I haven't experienced any issues with this, but it is a concern that should be considered and mitigated by sheathing the airline (as both @RCP2013 and I did). Another more permanent solution would be to carefully open the hole a bit more, maybe 1/8"-1/4" with a step drill bit attached to a 90* adapter. This is something I may do in the future if chaffing becomes an issue. Also, I'll note that I upgraded to a more rigid (and durable) nylon airline - which is detailed in my write-up. I think the product's Amazon link is in the post.

Would be interested in hearing Firestone's comments. I'm sure they would recommend mounting the airbags with the air fitting down vs. up. If memory serves, that was the method depicted in their vehicle agnostic instructions as well as eTrailer's installation video. But like you, I'm not a fan of that method for several reasons detailed in my thread.

 

[inigomontoya]

Has anyone had any issues getting service with oem extended warranty while having a lift? I know they will obviously not service the suspension parts that were replaced..

 

[yonah]

Has anyone had any issues getting service with oem extended warranty while having a lift? I know they will obviously not service the suspension parts that were replaced..

I suspect you're right - any issues related to the CV joints or suspension components, or anything touched during the install, will give Toyota enough cause to deny, or attempt to deny, a warranty claim. This may be an advantage in choosing a Toyota dealer for the installation - like Kendall in Bend, Oregon. They may offer some kind of limited warranty on their work and the installation would reflect in the Toyota service history database as being conducted by a Toyota service department. Good question though. The Magnuson-Moss Act would prevent Toyota from denying a warranty claim on a system completely unrelated to the JOR lift. For example, if your entertainment/infotainment system's screen became inoperable, Toyota couldn't deny the warranty claim simply due to an aftermarket part being installed on your van - they would need to prove some form of connection between the JOR lift and the component failure. At least this is my understanding. But in the end, you are assuming a level of risk with any aftermarket part installation.

 

[yonah]

Here are a few more photos from one of the Sienna FB groups. Adding these to the thread:

First is a 2” JOR lift + 245/70r17 Falken Rubitrek tires:

Second is a 3” JOR lift with OEM wheels/tires:

 

[BEEMRDON]

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Here are a few more photos from one of the Sienna FB groups. Adding these to the thread:

First is a 2” JOR lift + 245/70r17 Falken Rubitrek tires:
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Second is a 3” JOR lift with OEM wheels/tires:
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Still looks a bit low. Do they make a 4 inch lift kit?

 

[vs9909]

Curious who has the most miles on their JOR lift and any longer term issues on 4th gen? I have a friend with about 15k on his lift and started having bad tire wear / alignment issues.

Could have been the installer or just poor initial alignment..